Greetings, all:
Please keep in mind that the only professional I have found that
condemns TEM is Frank Key... and Frank is an engineer and not a chemist.
NIST standards still state that the proper method for particle size
characterization of a colloid -- PARTICULARLY the smallest particles --
is TEM.
All colloidal science professionals utilize a wide variety of analytical
methods. TEM is always one of them.
I've been extremely discouraged by Frank's "bait and drop" method of
dealing with this issue. Frank points out a single problem with the
analytical method, and tries to state that it invalidates the process.
The truth of the matter is, there is a direct correlation between TEM
results and direct anti-microbial effectivness.
If you look at the results of a zeta sizer, and thus try to gauge the
direct effectiveness of a silver product, you will be misled.
However, the results of a TEM will not. I can look at a dozen TEMs, and
order them in the order of direct effectiveness, provided all TEMs
were done to standard.
One simply has to do searches on the net; one will find that all the
chemical engineers use TEM; all the articles that FRANK posts about
other companies that are working with particulate silver also use TEM's.
http://www.cmt.anl.gov/science-technology/processchem/colloids.shtml
Here's an example... Now, I've worked with guys like these when I worked
for Scientific Applications International Corporation. They are true
top notch scientists, who use every tool in proper context.
http://www.sc.ec.saga-u.ac.jp/ssls2002/abst/P05.pdf
Here's an example... Now, I've worked with guys like these when I worked
for Scientific Applications International Corporation. They are true
top notch scientists, who use every tool in proper context.
Frank uses circular logic with the sole motive to protect his product
from scrutiny.
An example:
Ionic silver cannot exist in the blood stream, therefore ionic silver
cannot be an effective product.
He calls this type of thinking 'science'.
It is not science, it is circular reasoning.
Here would be a more accurate statement of reason ( which is not reason
at all ):
Ionic silver has been used successfully by over 600 well documented
cases. Ionic silver cannot exist in the blood stream, therefore ionic
silver cannot be an effective product.
Insane? Exactly.
However, work done at UCLA demonstrated that the effectiveness of ionic
silver is directly related to the frequency vibration of a silver ion.
People in the professional world would take his product more seriously
if he were more honest, because he has a great product.
Why not try talking to a field scientist whose done hundreds of TEM's
and correlated the data with other analytical methods, in colloid studies?
Kind Regards,
Jason
Ode Coyote wrote:
Yea, well .0008 microns is only a "claim" made possible by using the
wrong tools to measure it and using a technicality to describe what a
particle is in a misleading fashion.
Using what's more accepted as the 'right' tools, what particles there
are [5% of total] measure over 8 nanometers [.008] microns on the
average with the balance having no "particles".
"Commonly" speaking, keeping the claims in context of the purveyed
assumption of meaning to the uneducated with a common understanding of
terms, S Silver, being 94+% ionic has no "particles" to speak of, to
measure. [Whether or not the measurement method reflects anything
resembling what's in the water]
S Silver is very very good, but it's not as claimed within the intent
of the claim.
Since ions are essentially all the same diameter no matter how they're
produced and all home brew generators make ions, home brewers can also
make the same claims within the same confusion of
contexts..."Technically" accurate or not.
So, if your home brew is 95% ionic, even if your 5% balance is in huge
particles, that 95% of your brew is exactly the same as S Silvers
brew...'call' ...it what you will.
Ode
[Language is our greatest barrier to communication...even when used with
the best of intent.]
At 10:26 AM 12/14/2005 -0800, you wrote:
Hi again, people in an alternative energy group I belong to just
started talking about CS.
Here is what one person had to say:
--"yes, silver is fine. sovereign silver is the finest particle size
in the world made by natural immunogenics. homemade silver is garbage
regardless of what results people say they get from putting silver
electrodes in distilled water with 3X9 volt batts for 27 volts.
that is PURE GARBAGE colloidal silver...large particles to rip up
your blood cells, etc... get lodged in your liver, etc... yes, it may
kill some bugs but why the damage to the good stuff. you won't tell
it is doing that damage, but that is just done done by fools.
anyway, in the 50's the Czechs had a silver product colled MOVIDYN
search that. The Russians tested it against EVERYTHING in their
biological arsenal and it wiped out 100% of EVERYTHING. They tore
down the plant and brought it into the Soviet Union and kept it
classified for many years.
Today, Natural Immunogenics who makes Soveriegn Silver is the ONLY
company in the whole wide world who makes a silver as the same
quality as MOVIDYN. No other company's garbage should even try to
compare their product to this company. It is LIGHT YEARS ahead of
all the rest. They stand alone and I dare anyone to even attempt
to claim they have something as fine as particle .0008 microns!!!
small. 1 drop of liquid has 150,000,000 particles of silver.
About 3-5 atoms per "particle". There is NO competition on Earth
for this product. Anyway, it is obvious I am passionate about this
product and another thing is so many people especially in the
alternative medicine field think they know about silver and they
don't know jack s***. Anyway, do you homework and you will find the
above statements to be 100% accurate and you will find NOTHING better
because it is virtually "physically" impossible."--
I'm not trying to incite anyone here, I just would like to hear some
intellectual commentary. Not that you wouldn't do that anyway.
Kel
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