## Using H2O2 at different times and in different amounts yields
different results.
1] The tiniest amount in very fresh EIS will make it go milky white and a
little more...milky brown with an eventual collection of gas bubbles on the
sides of the container and slight clearing of the very heavy white or brown
'milky' TE
Add even more and it goes clear again.
Whatever change happens at this stage appears to be permanent until more
H2O2 is added to clear it up. [ie "Browned" EIS doesn't go colorless if
left alone]
2] H2O2 in well [time] stabilized colorless EIS has no apparent effect,
though it may break up particles 'if' there are some biggish ones and
change the TE one way or the other, depending.
3] H2O2 in a colored EIS will clear the color. TE may or may not be affected.
What this tells me is that very fresh EIS [CS] , before the conductivity
drop completes itself, is very different from stored EIS.
The only thing I can think of that also may tie into conductivity drops
during a stabilization period is that ions and anions take some amount of
time to find each other and combine.
If that is so, the chemical and catalytic properties of fresh EIS may
well be changing as well and reacts differently to H2O2 in different
amounts at different times.
Granted, you can't have ions without anions and they are 'produced'
simultaneously, but aren't they produced at opposite electrodes?
Ions and anions would then be physical entities with a distance between
them and a time element for traveling that distance.
If left alone, they'll make the misnamed "ion cloud" with different
appearing particles [golden on one side with black spot, white on the other
with white spot... spots appearing at the points where such a "track"
impacts the bottom of a container] appearing to come from one electrode to
the other with nothing visible in between ["Ion tracking"] unless that
portion impacts the container, in which case you get ,metallic silver
plateout.
Humm not very clearly stated...
OK, Electrodes being close to the bottom of the container and no stirring
being used and current density is high.
Particle clouds form and sag downwards with particles streaming off and
flowing down both electrodes, arching each towards the other electrode and
hitting the bottom along the way.
One electrode sheds golden particles and forms a black spot under it
[silver oxides?]
The other electrode sheds white particles and forms a white spot. [silver
hydroxides?]
In between the spots, no particles visible, but there is pure metallic
silver plateout after a while.
Apparently, in that zone, there are no oxides OR hydroxides...just pure
invisible silver somehow. [ silver Ions picking up electrons from the
glass and going metallic?..and if they DON'T hit the glass and plate out?
Still invisible and still there.]
Anyhow, it's obvious there are at least 3 different things going on....in
different places, each taking time, probably 4 and maybe more and some
percentage of all of it drifting around in the water.
If you mix everything up, [make it all drift] mutual targeting could be
delayed and there could be 3 , 4 or more different unstable configurations
and forms of silver, hydrogen and oxygen co-existing dynamically in the
same area for some amount of time, going through different stages and
sequences of getting together.
Now, add an H2O2 radical wild card at different times to mess up the
natural balance of yet to be married components and you get completely
differing results at different times.
Yea, I AM confused!
Like herding cats by adding dogs, some you can see and others you
can't... It's confusing!
Ode the Whirlyheaded......honeymooning in a brothel in the dark?
That 'works' just fine and 'what' does happen... you just don't know 'who'
you're doing and when.
Honey? Dat you? Why do you use different voices to say yes?
At 11:29 AM 12/16/2005 -0800, you wrote:
Hi Nancy,
What magnification did you use to make your mesurements.
When I took 2 ounces of 8.8 PPM EIS that had no T. E. in it even in a dark
room and add th drop of H2O2 I find that a T. E. developes, and to me
indicates that agglomeration has set it.
This is most disturbing. One other person adds 4 cc of 35% to a quart of
EIS. When I did that the T.E. less EIS developed a strong T.E. and has a
haze to it.
Something does not compute !!!
"Ole Bob"
Nancy DeLise <[email protected]> wrote:
The H2o2 reacts with the silver and breaks up the particles so they become
very much smaller.
If you look under a microscope at CS, most homemade CS would be about
this size: O When you add 1 drop of H2o2 3% to 2 oz. of CS and wait
about 15 minutes and look in the same microscope the particle size would
be about this: o If you look at sovereign silver under the same
microscope the particle size is about this: (That's correct, you
cannot see anything it is that tiny.)
Nancy
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