On May 26, 2007, at 4:16 AM, John Ku wrote:

I think maximization of negative entropy is a poor goal to have. Although life perhaps has some intrinsic value, I think the primary thing we care about is not life, per se, but beings with consciousness and capable of well-being. Under your idea, it seems like the "interests" of a large tree might count for as much, if not much more, than a human being.

I also think being beneficial to humans is a bad criterion. We care about humans because most humans have particularly rich and complex mental lives, not because they are biologically human (e.g. have 23 chromosomes or descent from a certain evolutionary lineage, etc.).

We care about humans in the first instance because we are human. While it has become somewhat fashionable to distance ourselves from the reality of our own being and calmly contemplate species-death I for on do not consider it a healthy practice.

You might scrape off a few skin cells of mine and keep them alive in a test tube but the mere fact that those cells are human and living doesn't mean we have any reasons to promote its life. I would hold the same goes for living human organisms that are braindead with no capacity for consciousness ( e.g. anencephalic infants). Also, if there were aliens with as rich and complex a mental life as humans, their interests should count for just as much as a normal human's. To think otherwise would, I think, be on a par with racism; philosophers call this speciesism.

To fail to defend and uphold the well being of one's own species is likely to be an evolutionary dead end.

- samantha

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