I would feel relieved if there was miscommunication between us.

I was mostly concerned with the issue of what we *should* care about and
what cares we *should* be acting upon. If you are simply talking about some
cognitive biases we have that you concede ought to be overcome (or that we
ought to try to overcome to whatever extent possible), then great, it sounds
like we don't really have much of a disagreement, except perhaps on some
details.

John Ku

On 5/27/07, Samantha Atkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


It was not perhaps so simple as you are portraying it.  There is deep EP
programming behind caring about human beings that puts it partially
beyond conscious choice changeable by new information.  However, our EP
also includes quite a bit of xenophobia against those perceived as not us.

EP xenophobic tendencies that haven't been sufficiently overcome do a
good job of explaining racism.   I think you may be overly focusing on
the roles of conscious thought and individual history.   While conscious
thought and work is required to overcome suboptimal responses and
attitudes it is important to acknowledge the less conscious and more
ingrained aspects of the problem.
.....
That part of what I wrote would seem to require the least
clarification.  What are you asking?  I was referring to the occassional
intellectual dissociation as if we were already uploads or otherwise
disembodied or no longer human.  From this false Olympian perspective we
reason about what we should care about.   We think we are being
intellectually and ethically cleaner when we do so.  Yet from a more
humble perspective we are literally sawing away at the branch we are
sitting on.
....
Actually, at this point in our technological development their
well-being obviously does depend on the continuation of biological
humanity.    Even with not yet available uber-tech their well-being will
depend on some means of perserving the matrix within which such beings
can exist, whatever that matrix may come to be.
.....
I am not confused at all.  Perhaps you are as to what I was writing
about.  My apologies if I did not communicate with sufficient clarity.
.....
Genes per se are just mechanism.  Continued existence of humanity is
important regardless of what the mechanism is or becomes.   By
"evolutionary dead end" I meant something that could perhaps be less
confusing to you if I had wrote "developmental dead end"  of this
particular species of intelligent being.


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