--- Tom McCabe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- Matt Mahoney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Or if your intellect advanced to the point where you > > could, you would not be > > able to describe what you observed to other humans. > > To use an analogy, a > > Singularity level intelligence would be as advanced > > over humans as humans are > > over bacteria. The bacteria in your stomach are > > unaware of your existence. > > No, but they would notice if you spontaneously > appeared/disappeared. It would greatly affect their > environment.
If the universe and everyone in it suddenly disappeared, who would notice? > > I believe a Singularity has already happened. > > Do you have any evidence for this point of view? Since we can't observe a Singularity after it happens, no. > > The > > world you now observe is > > the result. Your thoughts are constrained both by > > the computational limits of > > your brain (belief in consciousness, belief in free > > will, fear of death) > > What do those things have to do with computational > limits? Poor choice of words. The human brain is limited by speed and memory of course, but I meant constraints imposed by the architecture of your brain through evolution. If you did not believe in consciousness and free will, or believe that the external world was real, you could not function and pass on your DNA. The best you can do is accept both points of view and not attempt to resolve the conflict. > > , and > > by the model of reality presented to its inputs. > > For all we know, concepts > > like space, time, and matter are nothing more than > > abstract mathematical > > models in your simulated universe, which bear no > > resemblance to the universe > > in which the simulation is being run. This will all > > be clear after you die > > and wake up. > > So, after we wake up, can we try whatever beings set > up this simulation for being complicit in every crime > ever committed? It's hard to say because we know nothing about the universe which simulates the one we observe. My guess is that the other universe is itself a simulation in a higher universe, and so on, ultimately boiling down to an enumeration of Turing machines or an equivalent mathematical abstraction. But of course I don't know. If you simulated an artificial world with intelligent agents, they wouldn't know about our world either. They would only know what you programmed them to know. -- Matt Mahoney, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ----- This list is sponsored by AGIRI: http://www.agiri.org/email To unsubscribe or change your options, please go to: http://v2.listbox.com/member/?member_id=4007604&user_secret=7d7fb4d8
