Hi Hans,

Thank you for your careful review. I will incorporate all your changes and 
request
for clarification in the next version of the draft.

You had one question buried in there that I think deserve attention from the 
group:

> In general, I feel that I don't understand the reasoning 
> behind when to respond 403 and when to respond 404 in this draft.
 
Basically, I've used 403 (Forbidden) when a UAC tries to register with the wrong
scheme in the Contact.

And I've used 404 (Not Found) when a UAC sends a non-REGISTER request to a SIP 
URI when only a SIPS URI exists for that resource. I used to have 403 for that, 
but I received
some comments from somebody on the list that 404 (Not Found) would be more 
appropriate.

I don't feel strongly about this issue.

If anybody has any ideas, please go ahead. 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Hans Persson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 08:15
> To: SIP IETF
> Cc: Audet, Francois (SC100:3055)
> Subject: Re: [Sip] Re: draft-ietf-sip-sips-03
> 
> sön 2007-03-18 klockan 23:27 -0400 skrev Paul Kyzivat:
> 
> > Just read the most recent version. Its looking good to me. 
> Just a few 
> > typo comments.
> 
> And so did I, just now.
> 
> I have a few comments and questions and a slew of nits.
> 
> 
> > SIPS URIs however can be used in many other header fields: 
> in Contact 
> > for registration, Contact in dialog-creating requests, 
> Route, Record- 
> > Route, Path, From, To, Refer-To, Refer-By, etc.  This specification
> 
> Referred-By, I assume.
> 
> 
> > This specification mandates that a resource described by a SIPS 
> > Request-URI can not be "downgraded" to a SIP URI when a proxy is 
> > forwarding a request by changing the scheme, or by sending the 
> > associated request over a non secure link.  See Section 4.2.
> 
> I had trouble parsing this. Suggestion for modification:
> 
> >>> This specification mandates that when a proxy is forwarding a 
> >>> request a resource described by a SIPS Request-URI can not be 
> >>> "downgraded" to a SIP URI by changing the scheme, or by 
> sending the 
> >>> associated request over a non-secure link.  See section 4.2.
> 
> 
> > Consider this example:  If Bob registers with a SIPS Contact header 
> > field (e.g., sips:[EMAIL PROTECTED]), the registrar and the 
> > location service then know that Bob ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) is 
> reachable at 
> > sips:[EMAIL PROTECTED],
> 
> Move "([EMAIL PROTECTED])" to after "If Bob".
> 
> 
> > Furthermore, if Bob wants to ensure that every request 
> delivered to it 
> > be always transported over TLS, Bob can use [I-D.ietf-sip-outbound] 
> > when registering.
> 
> Use "to him" instead of "to it".
> 
> 
> > However, if Bob had registered instead with a SIP contact 
> header field 
> > instead of a SIPS contact header field (e.g., 
> > sip:[EMAIL PROTECTED]), then a request to AOR
> 
> I suggest this instead:
> 
> >>> However, if Bob had registered with a SIP Contact header field 
> >>> instead of a SIPS Contact header field (e.g., 
> >>> sip:[EMAIL PROTECTED]), then a request to the AOR
> 
> 
> > 3.3.  Usage of tls transport parameter and TLS Via parameter
> 
> Suggestion:
> 
> >>> 3.3.  Usage of the transport=tls URI parameter and the TLS Via 
> >>> parameter
> 
> 
> > If the Request-URI is a SIP URI, a sips option-tag in a 
> Require header 
> > field MUST NOT be used, and a Supported header field MUST be used 
> > instead.  If a UAS receives a request with the sips option-tag in a 
> > Supported or Require header field and it accepts the 
> registration, it 
> > MUST include the sips option-tag in Supported or Require 
> header in a 
> > 200 (OK) response.
> 
> Since this is talking about registration, I assume that 
> "request" should be "REGISTER request".
> 
> 
> > When a target refresh occurs within a dialog (e.g., re-INVITE, 
> > UPDATE), unless there is a need to change it, the UAC and UAS MUST 
> > include a contact header field with a SIPS URI if the 
> original request 
> > used a SIPS Request-URI.
> 
> What exactly does "a need" mean here?
> 
> 
> > 4.1.5.  Usage of tls transport parameter
> 
> Suggestion:
> 
> >>> 4.1.5.  Usage of the transport=tls parameter
> 
> 
> > Specifically, when a proxy receives a request with a SIPS Request- 
> > URI, the proxy MUST forward or retarget the request to a SIPS 
> > Request-URI.  If the target UAS had registered previously 
> using a SIP 
> > Contact header field instead of a SIPS Contact header 
> field, the proxy 
> > MUST NOT forward the request to the URI indicated in the 
> SIPS Contact 
> > header field.  If the proxy needs to reject the request for that 
> > reason, it MUST reject it with a 404 (Not Found).
> 
> Shouldn't this read "the SIP Contact header field"?
> 
> 
> > Proxies can use the sips option-tag in Supported, Require 
> and Proxy- 
> > Require header fields to detect UAs that do not conform to this 
> > specification.
> 
> How would a proxy use the Proxy-Require header to detect what 
> a UA supports?
> 
> 
> > The proxy MAY instead map the request with a 416 (Unsupported URI 
> > Scheme)
> 
> Where did the word "map" come from? I suggest "respond to".
> 
> 
> > Using a Redirect Server instead of a Proxy, with TLS has some 
> > limitations that has to be taken into account.
> 
> Suggestion:
> 
> >>> Using a Redirect Server with TLS instead of a Proxy has some 
> >>> limitations that have to be taken into account.
> 
> 
> > When a redirect server receives a request with a SIPS 
> Request-URI, the 
> > redirect server MAY redirect with a 3XX response to either 
> a SIP or a 
> > SIPS Contact header field.  If the target UAS had registered 
> > previously using a SIPS Contact header field, the redirect server 
> > SHOULD return a SIPS Contact header field to "upgrade" to 
> SIPS if it 
> > is in an environment where TLS is usable (as described in 
> the previous 
> > paragraph).
> 
> There is no "upgrade" here. Both the request and the 
> registration are SIPS already.
> 
> 
> In the call flow chart in section 5.1, the image for the 
> second 200 OK for each REGISTER points the wrong way.
> 
> 
> In general, I feel that I don't understand the reasoning 
> behind when to respond 403 and when to respond 404 in this draft.
> 
> 
> The rest of my nits is minor stuff like typos, incorrect 
> pluralization, capitalization errors, etc. I attach a diff 
> below. Note that the diff also contains a few of my notes 
> (and the above changes), so don't apply it indiscriminately.
> 
> Hans
> 
> -- 
> Hans Persson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>    Ingate - Firewalls with SIP & NAT
> Ingate Systems AB  +46 13 210857   http://www.ingate.com/
> 
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