Following some discussions and soul searching, the best approach for
ICE-17 for LC would be to _go ahead and make it an experimental RFC_.

This would support the development of interoperable implementations, the
collection of deployment data and also hopefully open source code.

Though I have full faith in ICE, following the practices that made the
IETF successful take precedent here, I believe.

This is a change from the attached that I wrote on 7/16/2007.

Note: We can only hope the proliferation of SBC in VoIP service provider
networks will not make these concerns and ICE for SIP a moot issue, but
this is another topic.

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>The work on ICE is truly impressive and so are the numerous I-Ds
associated with ICE.

>However, before sending the <ice-17> I-D for LC to the IESG, it would
be prudent and responsible to the industry 
>(that spends considerable resources on ICE in good faith) implementing
ICE, to either (1) make it an informational RFC or 
>(2) publish some deployment data showing such items as:

>* NAT scenarios that have been tested,
>* The % of success,
>* Performance, such as call setup delay using SIP.

>I have not seen any such public data on ICE deployment, for example
with SIP. 
>A private report has raised my concern about the performance of ICE.

>In the best IETF tradition, it would also help to have open source code
>available for ICE, before declaring it a standard.

>ICE is too important for the IETF (good work Jonathan and other
authors!) >not to publish 
>(1) deployment results and (2) publish open source code as well.
>The various nits discussed on the lists are only of secondary
importance to >the LC 
>compared to the above and would get resolved with such a process
anyway.

>These are my personal two cents.

Henry Sinnreich



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