If I understand what Dan is proposing, the result is that you get a call 
if the callee believes the caller owns the number, regardless of whether 
anyone else in the world does.

        Paul

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>    From: "Dan Wing" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
>    > Sorry, I don't understand.  You said "sending a SIP request towards
>    > the E.164", by which I understand an Enum lookup.  Did you mean
>    > "sending a SIP request towards a SIP URI which purposts to represent
>    > an E.164"?
> 
>    draft-wing-sip-e164-rrc-01.txt says to turn the SIP URI into a TEL URI,
>    and then generate a Return Routability Check (RRC) towards that TEL URI:
> 
>      "1.  Strip the domain name of the From:  of the incoming INVITE.  This
>         results in a TEL URI.  For example,
>         "sip:[EMAIL PROTECTED];user=phone" is rewritten to
>         "tel:+14085551212".
> 
>       2.  Rewrite the TEL URI to a SIP URI, following the Verifier's
>         default routing rules.  For example, if outgoing calls are sent
>         to the service provider example.net, then "tel:+14085551212" is
>         rewritten to "sip:[EMAIL PROTECTED];user=phone".
> 
>       3.  Generate a random nonce.
> 
>       4.  Using the SIP URI constructed in step (2), construct a SIP
>         SUBSCRIBE message with Request-URI and To headers that use that
>         SIP URI, and an "Expires" header of 0.  The SUBSCRIBE contains
>         the random nonce in its body as Content-Type application/
>         return-routability-nonce.
> 
>       5.  Send the SUBSCRIBE message.  This will cause the calling party to
>         send a NOTIFY."
> 
> Interesting...  Because the verification generated by this algorithm
> is not quite what I expected from how it was described, and it is both
> narrower and probably more useful than what I expected.  The
> verification is that "Within the Verifier's context, the routing rules
> that are in effect send tel:+1234 to the given domain."  This actually
> doesn't say anything about ownership of E.164 numbers (other than that
> E.164 numbers are the space of URIs), but it says a tremendous amount
> about how requests are routed from the Verifier's context:  "If I call
> the given number, will I reach the given domain?"  That's not useful
> for validating an incoming caller based on an asserted E.164 origin
> number (unless one's local E.164 routing is known to be trustable),
> but it's really useful for knowing if I can call the caller back using
> the asserted E.164 number.
> 
> Dale
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