> > So the title of the document would be "Validating SIP From 
> > Considered
> > Harmful".  After writing that document, do you feel the 
> > community would
> > then see the need for designing a B2BUA-survivable identity 
> > mechanism??
> > 
> > -d
> 
> No mechanism can survive with B2BUAs and intermediaries in general.

Two I-Ds have been proposed which will survive B2BUAs and SBCs:

  http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-fischer-sip-e2e-sec-media-00
  http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-wing-sip-identity-media-02

> That's why we have the e2e principle on the Internet.

TLS and IPsec work through transport- and network-layer intermediaries (NATs
and NAPTs), and NAPTs destroy the e2e principle.

-d

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