Hi Dean,

the revised charter sounds good. 
I'm not sure I like the agronym as it somehow sounds that it will take
longer to solve that problem. 
But tht is just naming, the content is more important ;-)

Ciao
        Steffen

PS: How about RISE: Roles and Identities in SIP Environments?

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
> Behalf Of Dean Willis
> Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 6:13 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: [Sip] Second draft, RETIRE Charter
> 
> I've revised the proposed charter fora RETIRE working group 
> based on list comments. This is still a very early concept, 
> and the formation of such a working group is contingent on a 
> great many things that are outside of my control.
> 
> 
> --------
> 
> 
> The "REal Time Identity and  Role Expression" (RETIRE) 
> Working Group's purpose is to standardize the expression and 
> assertion of identity and roles needed for real-time 
> communications with the IETF's Realtime Applications 
> Infrastructure (RAI) area protocols, primarily the Session 
> Initiation Protocol (SIP) and others used in conjunction with SIP.
> 
> By "Identity", we mean authenticated addresses of record (as 
> defined in RFC 4474 "Enhancements for Authenticated Identity 
> Management in the Session Initiation Protocol". RFC 4474 
> provides a means by which a SIP server may vouch for the 
> "From" address of a request transiting that server. It 
> further provides a cryptographic mechanism for testing the 
> source of the assertion. In the typical case, this mechanism 
> is dependent on the same Public Key Infrastructure that 
> supports secure HTTP services. Since RFC 4474 provides only 
> authentication of the source of SIP request messages and it 
> is also important to determine the identity of the sender of 
> responses, RFC 4916 "Connected Identity in the Session 
> Initiation Protocol" provides authenticated identity in an 
> ongoing SIP dialog by applying RFC 4474 to requests in the 
> reverse direction. While adequate for some scenarios, this 
> mechanism is not useful for SIP interactions having a single 
> non-dialog transaction, such as MESSAGE requests. RFC 4474 
> suffers additional limitations relating to its use with E.164 
> numbers, gateways, session border controllers, and 
> back-to-back user agents.
> 
> By "Role", we mean aspects of a a system user that are 
> related identity, but more dynamic in nature. For example, 
> Alice might delegate her calls to Bob. A calling party, 
> expecting to reach Alice but reaching Bob, needs to know that 
> this is a reasonable thing and what Bob's role in relation to 
> Alice is. This problem is in general referred to as the 
> "unanticipated respondent problem", and it has impacts both 
> at the level of user expectations and key management.  
> Proposals for fixing it have included deprecation of proxy 
> retargeting and the use of a new SIP provisional response to 
> inform the calling party about the retargeting operation.
> 
> Security Assertion Markup Language (SAML) is an XML-based 
> standard for exchanging authentication and authorization data 
> between security domains, that is, between an identity 
> provider (a producer of
> assertions) and a service provider (a consumer of 
> assertions). SAML is a product of the OASIS Security Services 
> Technical Committee. The SIP working group worked for several 
> years on applying SAML to SIP with mixed results, but the 
> technique appears to have great promise.
> 
> 
> The initial deliverables of the RETIRE working group are:
> 
> 1) A standards-track revision of RFC 4474 that resolves its 
> limitations with respect to E.164 numbers, gateways, session 
> border controllers,  and back-to-back user agents. This 
> revision will also address the use of Authenticated Identity 
> Management in conjunction with SIP response messages. It may 
> also be necessary to document the impact of such changes, if 
> any, on the DTLS-SRTP framework.
> 
> 2) Specify a solution (or set of solutions)  for the 
> Unanticipated Respondent Problem in SIP.
> 
> 3) Guidelines for the use of E.164 numbers as SIP identifiers.
> 
> 4) Guidelines for the use of SAML with SIP for the purposes 
> of expressing identity and role, specifically in the contexts 
> of #1, #2 and #3 above.
> 
> 
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