> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
> Behalf Of Adam Roach
> Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 3:41 PM
> To: Hadriel Kaplan
> Cc: [email protected]; Michael Thomas
> Subject: Re: [Sip] Signing P-Asserted-Identity
> 
> On 7/8/08 3:18 PM, Hadriel Kaplan wrote:
> > 2) 4474 signs things which many real-world cases will break 
> the signature of, and thus has a deployment problem (whether 
> that's fixable, or by design, is another topic of debate).  
> But that's another elephant in the room, or maybe a lion, 
> smaller but hairy.
> >   
> 
> In theory, you're talking about To, From, Call-ID, CSeq, 
> Date, Contact, 
> and the request body. Proxies aren't allowed to change those 
> (with the 
> exception of To and From, which are done only in the context 
> of 4474 and 
> RFC 4916), and user agents set them before the 4474 signature 
> goes on them.
> 
> In practice, the elephant in your elephant (or small hairy 
> predator) is 
> the body. You're talking about SBCs, and the thing that SBCs want to 
> change that breaks RFC 4474 is the body. And that was kind of a 
> necessary hack back before user agents did much in the way of NAT and 
> firewall traversal. But any real, commercial user agent I've 
> played with 
> in the past five years or so has at least rudimentary support in this 
> area, such that body tweaking is mostly unnecessary.

Hadriel tried to carefully explain why SBCs change the body in 
draft-kaplan-sip-uris-change-00.txt.  It isn't because of NAT.

Please read draft-kaplan-sip-uris-change-00.txt.

-d


> In other words: there's a better solution than body mangling, 
> and it's 
> supported by most modern SIP clients. Let's not gut 4474 to 
> maintain our 
> older, broken network architectures.
> 
> /a
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