On 07/08/2008 06:13 PM, Dan Wing wrote:
Hadriel tried to carefully explain why SBCs change the body in draft-kaplan-sip-uris-change-00.txt. It isn't because of NAT.

Please read draft-kaplan-sip-uris-change-00.txt.

Yikes. That's not a circus -- that's a abattoir. It's a very careful analysis of why carriers want all of SIP except for the SIP part.

It looks like it boils down to:

   4.1.1(a) - Some SIP products are broken by either design or
   implementation

   4.1.1(b) - Inter-service provider federation is being rolled out
   without any of the tools the IETF has defined for that kind of thing

   4.2 - Service providers won't deploy DNS, despite it being integral
   to SIP and the Internet at large

   4.3 - (Mostly a symptom of 4.2) People are deploying security
   theater without any of the tools the IETF has defined for that kind
   of thing, and tel: URLs aren't apparently supported, even when E.164
   is the only useful identifier in use. (If you can change the domain
   of a URI and still have it mean anything at all, it should have been
   a tel: URL anyway)

   4.4 - This isn't a stand-alone issue; it's a symptom of 4.1.1(b)

In short -- if we ignore the software bugs, it looks like the problems all boil down the service providers choosing to ignore various IETF-defined solutions (mostly as they relate to security). Why do we think we can come up with a new security mechanism in the IETF and have it make half a whit of difference to organizations who are clearly hostile to IETF-developed security mechanisms?

/a
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