We use sipviewer to view the logs as use of tcpdump means that a problem is
reproducible at will and some issues are not.  The logs may be the only
source of information.  So use of the log in many instances leads to quicker
root cause than waiting for a problem to reoccur.

I agree that INFO level is sufficient for troubleshooting most problems.
However, there are times when I have found debug mode useful so I can see
how sipXecs is processing information.  Changing the log level to DEBUG is
something that we should still be able to set.  Providing a warning when
making that change is reasonable.

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-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of M. Ranganathan
Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 3:40 PM
To: Mardy Marshall
Cc: sipXecs developers
Subject: Re: [sipX-dev] Logging guidelines - discouraging DEBUG

On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 6:29 PM, Mardy Marshall <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> On Mar 2, 2010, at 5:29 PM, Scott Lawrence wrote:
>
> On Tue, 2010-03-02 at 17:11 -0500, Mardy Marshall wrote:
>
> On Mar 2, 2010, at 4:45 PM, Scott Lawrence wrote:
>

>
> What you are claiming is contrary to everything that I hear from Avaya 
> support personnel.  Even Avaya's SCS product engineer has been quoted 
> as saying "Nobody uses sipviewer".  Their preference is to use more 
> traditional tools such as WIreshark and tcpdump which provide them a 
> more encompassing view of the deployed network.  I suggest that before 
> you subject the end user with excessively large log files bloated with 
> information that they do not use that you look at this objectively and 
> focus on what is best for the customer.
> -Mardy

Mardy,

Agreed that support personnel do not use it but I would not know how to
debug without it. I must disagree with you on that point. SIpviewer is an
extremely handy tool at least for me as a hacker. Eventually, it is us poor
sods who wind up having to debug our own dog food so please lets have the
tools we like.


I want add some capabilities to sipviewer and logging so I can add limited
amounts of context information to the log at the INFO level.
For example in java, you can log which file/line the messaage was sent or
received at. Such things are not possible in tcpdump. I wish we could
support things like that to make our lives easier.

Thanks

Ranga.



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