I'm working on a project that uses Thomson ADSL2+ residential gateways - QoS
on these gateways is fine, basically the QoS is very similar to the LLQ
implementation on Cisco.

How were you saturating your upload and download?

On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 10:05 AM, Tony Graziano <
[email protected]> wrote:

> What I think you are experiencing is this: Consumer grade equipment and
> consumer grade dsl.
>
> I've never used consumer grade routers except for one way... turn off dhcp
> and add a static local route and enable the wireless on it as an access
> point (like at home, pfsense with a linksys router configured that way so
> the kids can wii on a snow day). Saturating your upload is EASIER than your
> download, because in an ADSL link (or cable modem), the upload pipe is a
> fraction of the download. You'll almost alays notice a "bump" in the voice
> clarity as QoS rules are beginning to exceed, even momentary, even if
> configured properly.
>
> I am liking to shaping and QoS changes in pfSense 2.0 (running a Beta and
> playing with it).
>
> Improve it? Maybe run tomato or cactus on it instead of the run of the mill
> firmware, if its capable. I'm digging the new dlink wifi ap/router with
> touchscreen and usb for network storage, plays very well with a real
> firewall fronting it too.
> http://www.networkworld.com/community/node/49592?ts0hb&story=cespkg
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 3:54 PM, Tim Byng <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the feedback! I was leaning towards pfSense, so this makes me
>> feel a bit better about that. Tony, I saw your blog posts and they seem very
>> helpful (I'm subscribed to your blog).
>>
>> I've been running a number of tests with QoS and remote workers with the
>> D-Link DIR-655 and the PAP2T-NA adapter. QoS definitely helps, but it's not
>> perfect. Here's what I found:
>>
>>    - Automatic Classification on the DIR-655 must be enabled. I could not
>>    get acceptable quality with this setting disabled when the upload speed 
>> was
>>    saturated, regardless of the priority I set the traffic for the PAP2T-NA
>>    device to be.
>>    - Using Automatic Classification will cause VoIP traffic to have a
>>    very low priority number (which gives it a higher priority). Without any
>>    manual QoS rules, the lowest priority it will use is 128. VoIP traffic 
>> would
>>    usual get a priority somewhere between 129 and 139 (I don't remember the
>>    exact numbers).
>>    - Adding a manual rule while still using Automatic Classification
>>    seemed to help slightly. I ended up creating a manual rule for all traffic
>>    on the PAP2T-NA to have 64 as the priority. I confirmed that the traffic
>>    from this device had this priority, and there seemed to be a slight
>>    improvement in quality.
>>    - Saturating the upload speed had a bigger impact on the voice quality
>>    than saturating the download speed. Downloading at full speed, the call
>>    quality on the other end was perfect, but on my side there was a slightly
>>    noticeable degradation in quality (someone not listening for it might not
>>    notice). However, when uploading at full speed, the call quality on the
>>    other end was noticeably worse. The other side could still understand
>>    everything I was saying, but it was not acceptable for regular business 
>> use.
>>    On my end, the quality was fine.
>>
>> I could not tweak the settings on the DIR-655 to improve this any further.
>> The only thing I can think of that I didn't try was manually setting the
>> uplink speed rather than using the automatic setting and lowering the value.
>> The measured uplink speed when set to automatic was around 1055 kbps. Maybe
>> lowering this to 1025 or 1000 kbps may help? I may try this later.
>>
>> What should I expect from this type of router? I know that it's not a high
>> end router, so maybe this is as good as it gets? Does anyone have any
>> suggestions on how to improve this?
>>
>
>
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