Bob~
I am almost elated that some of my core opinions are substantiated by the
likes of Rivera!
The supportive material is likewise solid stuff!
I of course DO NOT refer to her majesty’s boy Becrafty! Becrafty submits the
same old line of BS by chiming in with de Facto piratical non existent
corporate international UN type material he thrives on! It is as worthless as
is time spent observing him at work in classical liawyers deceptive tactics!
May the Queen be dead tomorrow and all her House of Hanover fake royalty with
her!
~Hal~
Bob Hurt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I thought you might like this email thread
in which well-educated people exchange views on jurisdiction.
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Dr. Eduardo Rivera
Date: Mon, Sep 15, 2008 at 6:10 PM
You are all operating under the misapprehension that the
Constitution some how repealed or replaced the Articles of Confederation.
Those two documents plus the Declaration of Independence and Northwest
Ordinance of July 13, 1787 make up the Organic Law of the United States of
America.
There is no evidence that the Articles of Confederation fails to hold the 50
States in a perpetual Union. Anyone who doubts this should examine the last
sentence in the Northwest Ordinance of July 13, 1787. The legal writers of
that day knew how to repeal a law.
The Constitution creates a new Union of federal States beginning with the
States of the Northwest Territory. This Constitution grants legislative power
to "a Senate," which turns out to be the United States, in Congress assembled
under the Articles of Confederation and House of Representatives, which
represents the new federal States.
The Union under the Constitution may be more perfect but it is just
temporary as each Congress is temporary lasting only two years, while the
Senate is in continual session.
The Constitution is instructive: Never trust anything made in secret. I
deal with the occult Constitution in the attachment.
Ed
-----Original Message-----
From: Larry Becraft [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 1:18 PM
To: Rich Cantwell
Cc: Tommy Cryer; Ed Rivera; Bob Hurt; Bob Minarik; Bob Law; Chuck McFarland;
Nancy Kotmair; Peter Gibbons; Tommy Cryer
Subject: Re: Lawyer Cryer "states" that there is no differenece in
"federal"jurisdiction over Citizens within the several v federal States? (216
Bcc:) God help your clients!!
Hey Cantwell,
I am late answering the below note from you. Let me state that you are at
least 23 years behind me on this issue.
In 1985, I taught this movement about federal jurisdiction via 1-8-17 of the
Constitution. I researched more than 1500 cases to produce summaries of about
500 cases discussed in the below files:
http://home.hiwaay.net/~becraft/FEDJurisdiction.html
http://home.hiwaay.net/~becraft/JURISDICsup.html
http://home.hiwaay.net/~becraft/JURISDICcir.html
http://home.hiwaay.net/~becraft/JURISDICst.html
I also found in 1985 the cite to that 1957 fed report on jurisdiction, which a
friend of mine found that same day at a Salt Lake law library. Bill Benson
reprinted and sold that report, a text version of which is posted here:
http://www.constitution.org/juris/fjur/fj0-0000.htm
But I learned a great deal about the movement when I undertook that
educational project. Instead of doing something productive, the gurus like Lynn
Meredith grabbed and sold the issue; she made millions (altho she is in jail
now). Others chose to attack. After a couple of years, I gave up trying get
somewhere with the issue because it was under the control of the gurus who
really knew nothing about the issue. All they wanted to do was sell it.
Let me give you an example of what the movement does. Al Thompson (also now in
jail) started hollering about the 1939 IR Code back in about 2000, acting like
he discovered it for the first time, and nobody else knew anything about it
(this is a common activity of many "patriots" who, like you, chance upon info
new to them and think nobody else knows a damn thing about it). Al screamed and
hollered about the '39 IRC claiming some new discovery; while new to him, lots
of Americans have studied it long ago. In response, I put out of the Net my
text conversion of that whole Code, and Thompson responded with lots of nasty
accusations against me. It is this conduct that causes me to stay a safe
distance from lots of nasty people.
Larry
>From Rich Cantwell to Larry/Tommy:
"The US States"
Several v Federal
& the attendant "federal" jurisdiction.
Brief Regarding 4 USC § 72 and
The Secretary's Lawful/Constitutional Authority in the Several States
Perhaps the recipient lawyers in this mail, Mssrs. Becraft and Cryer, would
once again like to "state" for the record that there is ZERO difference in
federal jurisdiction over citizens (subjects) domiciled within the Federal
States and those of us that are domiciled within the Union any of the 50
several states. First however, I sincerely recommend that they, as well as
those in their fawning fan club, read, research and thoroughly "vet" the
following. (See the attached 15 page pdf.)
What say you Mr. Becraft and Mr. Cryer?
1. 4 U.S.C. § 72, which is positive law, mandates that all offices of
government are restricted to "the District of Columbia, and not elsewhere"
unless Congress "expressly" extends their granted authority to other
geographical areas by United States law.
"All offices attached to the seat of government shall be exercised in the
District of Columbia, and not elsewhere,except as otherwise expressly provided
by law." 4 U.S.C. § 72 (Emphasis added).
2. United States law 4 U.S.C. § 72 provides the litmus test for the
jurisdiction of every office attached to the seat of government; which includes
the Secretary and his alleged Delegates.
3. 4 U.S.C. § 72 is concerned with the venue or "WHERE" offices of the United
States can exercise their authority and not WHAT said offices can do. The
breakdown of this law is as follows:
a. ALL offices attached to the seat of government are contemplated in
this law and not just some offices – this includes the Secretary, the IRS and
the Department of Justice ("DOJ"), etc.;
See attached brief about 4 USC 72 (looks like Chris Chapman's work)
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