I have heard some similar stories from other folks with yahoo
accounts, login to yahoo groups and check membership settings,
make sure you not set to " special notices only " setting.

If they were really shutting people down, not sure why they did not
go after my account because I have really laid down some heavy
stuff a couple times.


On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 9:05 PM, hal <[email protected]> wrote:

> I am tuned out completely on either 1099OID or Redemption by Method! This
> for most of the day! All other stuff beaming through! Either I am shot down
> from these two sites or they have been crimped! Any ideas here! You in
> touch?
> ~Hal~
>
>
> *SilverDollar <[email protected]>* wrote:
>
> Note to Patrick Devine and to all who acknowledge his notices:
>
> This a little bit of propoganda thrown out there to scare away
> the mis-informed, which is all well in good because most people
> who are lazy minded or make an excuse to avoid learning the
> process and just want templates to fill in their own information
> are doomed to fail.
> I have heard it all from people; " I know the material, I just need
> an example to help get me started ". Well when I ask them a
> question pertaining to the material and they cannot answer it,
> I have pretty much busted them on their scheme.
> These people don't realize how much trouble they can get into
> if they do not know how to defend what they are doing and the
> fact that they might be in a dire need of emergency help does
> NOT in any way change the principles of the risk. So often
> these type of people when they do fail the mentor gets blamed for
> it then even more excuses follow another big mess.
> ALERT TO THE PEOPLE! :
> Mentors are NOT there for to accept your risks and liability.
>
> If you are a Mentor, get a disclaimer signed no matter what, that
> the information you are giving is not fact, it is a fictional
> interpretation
> for entertainment until the proposed knowledge is verified.
>
> Take heed to the NOTICE on the door of the society called the
> United States of America,  this NOTICE is labeled  Constitution
> Of The United States Of America. Whoever shall enter this door
> must accept all liability for the contracts and private agreements
> they enter into.
>
> POA, AIF, AR, SPC, TPI are all attorney's in one form or another, but
> you have to know the rules for each PERSONHOOD. Notice, I did
> not say " strawman ".
>
> SD
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Lyn
> Date: Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 11:08 AM
> Subject: Fw: [1099-OID] ANOTHER IRS FRAUD ALERT
> To: "SD" <[email protected]>,
>
>
> Please check out the two attachments above and let me know your thoughts on
> it. I think you should ask Patrick Devine about it also.
> Lyn
>
>
>
>  Problem Alerts
>>
>> Form 1099-OID Fraud
>>
>> Oct. 10, 2008
>>
>> The IRS cautions taxpayers to avoid getting caught up
>> in a new tax fraud disguised as a debt payment option
>> for credit cards or mortgage debt. The fraud is also
>> marketed as a way to reduce taxes or pay outstanding
>> tax liabilities. It involves the filing of Form
>> 1099-OID, Original Issue Discount, and/or bogus
>> financial instruments such as bonded promissory notes
>> or sight drafts.
>>
>> This fraud has evolved from an earlier frivolous
>> argument that a "strawman" bank account has been
>> created at the Treasury Department for each U.S.
>> citizen, and that individuals could use such
>> "strawman" accounts to pay debts and claim withholding
>> credits.
>>
>> The IRS addresses the "strawman" argument in Revenue
>> Ruling 2005-21 and Revenue Ruling 2004-31, and
>> discredits the use of this position for income tax
>> purposes. Moreover, the courts that have reviewed the
>> "strawman" argument and other similar arguments have
>> found them frivolous.
>>
>> For more information on frivolous schemes, see The
>> Truth About Frivolous Arguments.
>>
>>
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> Revenue Ruling
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> Rev. Rul. 2004-31
> Rev. Rul. 2004-31, 2004-12 I.R.B. 617
>                        Internal Revenue Service (I.R.S.)
>                                  Revenue Ruling
>               FRIVOLOUS TAX RETURNS; MERITLESS "REMOVAL ARGUMENTS."
>                              Released: March 3, 2004
>                             Published: March 22, 2004
>  Section 61.--Gross Income Defined
>   Frivolous tax returns; meritless "removal arguments." This ruling
> emphasizes to taxpayers, and to promoters and return preparers who assist
> taxpayers with schemes, that there is no law, court decision or other
> authority that permits a taxpayer to remove himself from the federal tax
> system in order to avoid otherwise applicable taxes. Arguments to the
> contrary are not only wrong, but frivolous.
>   Frivolous tax returns; meritless "removal arguments." This ruling
> emphasizes to taxpayers, and to promoters and return preparers who assist
> taxpayers with schemes, that there is no law, court decision or other
> authority that permits a taxpayer to remove himself from the federal tax
> system in order to avoid otherwise applicable taxes. Arguments to the
> contrary are not only wrong, but frivolous.
> PURPOSE
>   The Service is aware that some individuals are attempting to reduce their
> federal income tax obligations by claiming that they have been "removed" or
> "redeemed" from the federal tax system. Although the specific arguments made
> by these individuals vary, some argue that the Government commits a fraud
> when it attempts to collect debts, including tax debts, and that this
> purported fraud allows individuals to "chargeback" debts that the Government
> purportedly owes to these individuals to eliminate any asserted tax
> liability. "Removal," "redemption," and "chargeback" schemes are referred to
> here collectively as "removal schemes" and "removal arguments." Some
> promoters are marketing a package, kit, or other materials that claim to
> show individuals how they can avoid paying income taxes based on these and
> other meritless arguments.
>   This revenue ruling emphasizes to individuals, and to promoters and
> return preparers who assist individuals with these schemes, that there is no
> authority under any U.S. law that supports the argument that an individual
> can be "removed" or "redeemed" from the federal tax system to avoid tax
> liabilities or that an individual can satisfy debts, including tax
> liabilities, by making "chargeback" or other similar arguments. Removal and
> redemption arguments have no merit and are frivolous.
>   The Service is committed to identifying individuals who attempt to avoid
> or evade their tax obligations. The Service will take vigorous enforcement
> action against these taxpayers and against promoters and return preparers
> who assist taxpayers in taking these frivolous positions. Frivolous returns
> and other similar documents submitted to the IRS are processed through the
> Service's Frivolous Return Program. As part of this program, the Service
> confirms whether taxpayers who take frivolous positions have filed all of
> their required tax returns, computes the correct amount of tax and interest
> due, and determines whether civil and criminal penalties should apply. The
> Service also determines whether civil or criminal penalties should apply to
> return preparers, promoters, and others who assist taxpayers in taking
> frivolous positions, and recommends whether a court injunction should be
> sought to halt such activities. Other information about frivolous tax
> positions is available on the Service website at www.irs.gov.
> DISCUSSION OF REMOVAL AND REDEMPTION ARGUMENTS AND SCHEMES
>   Removal arguments and schemes are loosely related and take a variety of
> different forms. Proponents of removal arguments and schemes typically
> claim, even though they remain citizens or residents of the U.S., that they
> are not required to file federal tax returns and pay their tax obligations
> because they have been removed or redeemed from the federal tax system. As a
> result of participating in removal schemes, these individuals do not file
> required returns or pay the income tax that they owe.
>   In some variations of the removal argument, individuals claim that the
> Government commits a fraud when it attempts to collect debts, including tax
> debts, and that this purported fraud allows individuals to "chargeback"
> debts that the Government purportedly owes to these individuals to eliminate
> any liability to the Government. In other variations, individuals argue that
> Federal Reserve notes, or "paper money," are not legal tender and that the
> Government has been wrongfully using taxpayers and their labor as security
> for the Government's obligations. Other individuals argue that they may
> reclaim, or "chargeback," their own value from the Government as a result of
> the Government's wrongful conduct and then use that value to pay the
> individuals' debts. Participants in removal schemes often attempt to offset,
> collect or "redeem" their asserted claims against the Government by using or
> filing liens, bills of exchange, and various Uniform Commercial Code (UCC)
> forms, or by relying on misinterpretations of federal laws and the Uniform
> Commercial Code.
>   Participants in the removal schemes may rely on one or more of the
> following erroneous arguments, alleged facts or actions to support their
> frivolous claims: (a) the bankruptcy of the United States occurred
> contemporaneously with the creation of the Federal Reserve, the start of the
> Great Depression, the removal of the United States from the gold standard,
> or the passage of House Joint Resolution 192 (claimed to be a declaration of
> bankruptcy); (b) the Government's use of birth certificates of taxpayers as
> registered securities; (c) the filing of documents with variations on a
> taxpayer's name, (e.g., using all capital letters in some documents and
> standard capitalization in others) creates a "straw man" or "nom de guerre"
> as the debtor to the Government that replaces the individual who has removed
> himself from the Government's jurisdiction; (d) the "redemption" of debts
> from the Government by filing UCC forms, such as the UCC-1 form; (e) the
> submission of documents to the U.S. Secretary of the Treasury to establish a
> fictitious bank account (sometimes referred to as a "Treasury Direct
> Account") where the value of charged back debts is located; (f) the practice
> of "accepting for value" official Government documents and the "charging
> back" of those documents by responding to them with a "private notice" that
> may include a "Treasury Direct Account Number," a "Memory of Account Number"
> or a "Posted Certified Account Number"; and (g) the use of "Bills of
> Exchange," Form UCC-3 and "Sight Drafts" to discharge debts to the
> Government. This list is not exclusive, however. Participants in removal
> schemes also make other equally frivolous arguments.
>   Instead of filing federal income tax returns with the Service,
> participants in removal schemes frequently send documents and other
> correspondence to the Service and other Government agencies. Examples of
> these documents include: improperly filed Forms 1040-ES, Estimated Tax for
> Individuals, reporting the location of the funds in a fictitious bank
> account from which the IRS can collect taxes; improperly filed Fiduciary Tax
> Returns; improperly filed Forms 8300, Report of Cash Payments Over $10,000
> Received in a Trade or Business, reporting that a person or entity has
> "charged back" after "accepting for value" the Government's documents;
> improperly filed Forms W-9, Request for Taxpayer Identification Number and
> Certification, to obtain a social security or employee identification number
> of a person or entity to include on the Form 8300; "commercial affidavits"
> in lieu of tax returns stating that the filer is a secured party and has no
> income for a particular year; and documents and correspondence to "accept
> for value" IRS notices of tax liens and levies to have the tax balances paid
> from the filer's "Treasury Direct Account."
>   There is no authority under any U.S. law that supports the claim that
> individuals may avoid their federal income tax obligations based on removal
> arguments such as those described in this revenue ruling. Similarly, there
> is no authority under any U.S. law that supports the claim that requiring
> payment of a debt owed to the Government by commercially acceptable means
> amounts to a fraud by the Government. Section 61 of the Internal Revenue
> Code provides that gross income includes all income from whatever source
> derived, including compensation for services. Adjustments to income,
> deductions, and credits must be claimed in accordance with the provisions of
> the Internal Revenue Code and the Treasury regulations thereunder and other
> applicable federal law. Section 6011 provides that any person liable for any
> tax imposed by the Internal Revenue Code shall make a return when required
> by Treasury regulations, and that returns must be in accordance with
> Treasury regulations and IRS forms. Section 6012 identifies the persons who
> are required to file income tax returns. Section 6151, except as
> specifically provided, requires that taxpayers pay their tax when the return
> is due. Section 6311 requires payment of taxes by commercially acceptable
> means as prescribed by Treasury Regulations.
>   Courts repeatedly have rejected removal arguments and other similar
> arguments as frivolous and have penalized taxpayers who make these types of
> arguments. See, e.g., United States v. Sloan, 939 F.2d 499, 500 (7th Cir.
> 1991) (affirming criminal conviction for tax evasion and rejecting "wholly
> defective" arguments that the federal tax laws did not apply to taxpayer
> because he was a "freeborn, natural individual, a citizen of the State of
> Indiana, and a 'master' -- not -- 'servant' of his Government"); United
> States v. Condo, 741 F.2d 238, 239 (9th Cir. 1984) (affirming criminal
> conviction for tax fraud and rejecting as "frivolous" the argument that
> Federal Reserve Notes are not valid currency, cannot be taxed, and are
> merely "debts"); United States v. Rickman, 638 F.2d 182, 184 (10th Cir.
> 1980) (affirming criminal conviction for willfully failing to file a return
> and rejecting the taxpayer's argument that "the Federal Reserve Notes in
> which he was paid were not lawful money within the meaning of Art. 1, s 8,
> United States Constitution").
>   Although individuals who rely on these removal arguments generally do not
> file federal income tax returns with the Service, some individuals also are
> relying on removal or similar frivolous arguments to claim that they can
> reduce or eliminate their tax by filing tax returns in which they report
> zero income and tax liability. See Rev. Rul. 2004-34, 2004-12 I.R.B. 619
> (3/22/2004), for a discussion of this frivolous position.
> CIVIL AND CRIMINAL PENALTIES
>   The Service will challenge the claims of individuals who attempt to avoid
> or evade their federal tax liability by refusing to file returns and pay tax
> on the basis that they have been removed or redeemed from the federal tax
> system. In addition to liability for the tax due plus statutory interest,
> individuals who fail to file and pay tax or who claim refunds based on this
> or any other frivolous arguments face substantial civil and criminal
> penalties. Potential civil penalties include: (1) the section 6651(f)
> penalty for fraudulent failure to file, which is up to 75 percent of the
> amount of taxes the taxpayer should have reported on the return ; (2) the
> section 6651(a)(1) penalty for failure to file, which is equal to up to 25
> percent of the amount of taxes the taxpayer should have reported on the
> return; (3) the section 6651(a)(2) penalty for failure to pay, which is
> equal to .5 percent of the tax for each month or fraction of a month the tax
> remains unpaid, not to exceed a total of 25 percent; and; (4) a penalty of
> up
> to $25,000 under section 6673 if the taxpayer makes frivolous arguments in
> the United States Tax Court.
>   Individuals relying on this scheme also may face criminal prosecution
> for:  (1) attempting to evade or defeat tax under section 7201 for which the
> penalty is a fine of up to $100,000 and imprisonment for up to 5 years; (2)
> willful failure to make a return or pay tax under section 7203 for which the
> penalty is up to $25,000 and imprisonment of up to 1 year, or (3) making
> false statements under section 7206 for which the penalty is a fine of up to
> $100,000 and imprisonment for up to 3 years.
>   Persons who promote this scheme and those who assist taxpayers in
> claiming tax benefits based on this scheme also may face penalties.
> Potential penalties include: (1) a $250 penalty under section 6694 for each
> return prepared by an income tax return preparer who knew or should have
> known that the taxpayer's argument was frivolous (or $1,000 for each return
> where the return preparer's actions were willful, intentional or reckless);
> (2) a $1,000 penalty under section 6701 for aiding and abetting the
> understatement of tax; and (3) criminal prosecution under section 7206 for
> which the penalty is a fine of up to $100,000 and imprisonment for up to 3
> years for assisting or advising about the preparation of a false return or
> other document under the internal revenue laws. Promoters and others who
> assist taxpayers in engaging in these schemes also may be enjoined from
> doing so under section 7408.
> HOLDING
>   Individuals may not avoid or evade their tax liability by refusing to
> file returns and pay tax on the basis that they have been removed or
> redeemed from the federal tax system or by claiming that they can
> "chargeback" their debts to the Government. Arguments that individuals may
> be removed or redeemed from the federal tax system or may "chargeback" their
> debts to the Government have no merit and are frivolous. Individuals who
> attempt to reduce their federal tax liability by taking frivolous positions
> based on these arguments will be liable for the actual tax due plus
> statutory interest. In addition, the Service will determine civil penalties
> against individuals where appropriate, and those individuals may also face
> criminal prosecution. The Service also will determine appropriate civil
> penalties against persons who prepare frivolous returns or promote frivolous
> positions, and those persons may also face criminal prosecution. Promoters
> and others who assist taxpayers in engaging in these schemes also may be
> enjoined from doing so under section 7408.
> DRAFTING INFORMATION
>   This revenue ruling was authored by the Office of Associate Chief
> Counsel  (Procedure and Administration), Administrative Provisions and
> Judicial Practice Division. For further information regarding this revenue
> ruling, contact that office at (202) 622-4940 (not a toll-free call).
>  Rev. Rul. 2004-31, 2004-12 I.R.B. 617
>
>
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