On 11 Jan 2009, at 2:45 AM, Richard Stahlhut wrote:

>
> Thanks for explanation Christiaan.  Too bad the PDF standard doesn't
> support smoothing.
>
> BUT...  i just noticed something that might make freehand writing
> workable, and not hard to implement (probably).   The main problem is
> not the lack of smoothing (although that would be great), but the fact
> that separate strokes frequently grab the previous (currently
> selected) stroke and drag it around.
>

I mentioned this in another recent mail, this is a feature, not a bug.  
You select the previous stroke when you grab near it (up to 4pt from  
the center), otherwise you will start another one. Otherwise it would  
not be possible to move/delete/join strokes.

> And ...  I've noticed that writing letters/strokes very close together
> is no problem at all IF you first deselect the previous stroke (i.e.,
> make the blue box vanish).
>

That must be your illusion, it makes absolutely no difference whether  
a stroke was already selected or not. Given what I said above, it  
wouldn't even make sense (the whole point is that you must be able to  
select a previous stroke when it's not selected).

> So,    that suggests an easy (?) fix:   In  "handwriting mode" (maybe
> it's own button to avoid confusion with normal freehand) Skim
> immediately deselects a stroke once it's completed.  you draw the
> line, skim recognizes when you've stopped that stroke, as usual, then
> it immediate deselects the stroke so your next stroke won't drag it
> around.
>

... and therefore this is no solution.

> I assume that's fairly simple programmatically.

Even though it would be easy to implement...

> and i think it would
> work.

...it wouldn't work.

>  If it is a different note type, then the difference in
> interaction could be reasonable.

Even if you would call it a different note type (which by itself is  
confusing, because the user sees the same and the implementation is  
also the same), the same requirement holds that you MUST be able to  
select it.

> Maybe it's just me, but because of
> the kind of research I do, i live with PDFs a big part of my days.
> the ability to interact with them in a very natural manner would be
> really helpful. And I'd love to be able to just pick up the pen on the
> graphics tablet and not have to switch a lot from it to the keyboard
> and back.
>
> - Rick

You can. Just make sure you keep the strokes sufficiently separated,  
at least at the start of a new stroke.

Christiaan


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