How about a simple mod-key (or combination) to make the mouse not 
select any object within the document, but still allow the freehand 
tool to make a stroke.  Simple? Possible? Impossible?  If possible, 
it could make freehand much more useful.

Bill

>On 11 Jan 2009, at 2:45 AM, Richard Stahlhut wrote:
>
>>
>>  Thanks for explanation Christiaan.  Too bad the PDF standard doesn't
>>  support smoothing.
>>
>>  BUT...  i just noticed something that might make freehand writing
>>  workable, and not hard to implement (probably).   The main problem is
>>  not the lack of smoothing (although that would be great), but the fact
>>  that separate strokes frequently grab the previous (currently
>>  selected) stroke and drag it around.
>>
>
>I mentioned this in another recent mail, this is a feature, not a bug. 
>You select the previous stroke when you grab near it (up to 4pt from 
>the center), otherwise you will start another one. Otherwise it would 
>not be possible to move/delete/join strokes.
>
>>  And ...  I've noticed that writing letters/strokes very close together
>>  is no problem at all IF you first deselect the previous stroke (i.e.,
>>  make the blue box vanish).
>>
>
>That must be your illusion, it makes absolutely no difference whether 
>a stroke was already selected or not. Given what I said above, it 
>wouldn't even make sense (the whole point is that you must be able to 
>select a previous stroke when it's not selected).
>
>>  So,    that suggests an easy (?) fix:   In  "handwriting mode" (maybe
>>  it's own button to avoid confusion with normal freehand) Skim
>>  immediately deselects a stroke once it's completed.  you draw the
>>  line, skim recognizes when you've stopped that stroke, as usual, then
>>  it immediate deselects the stroke so your next stroke won't drag it
>>  around.
>>
>
>... and therefore this is no solution.
>
>>  I assume that's fairly simple programmatically.
>
>Even though it would be easy to implement...
>
>>  and i think it would
>>  work.
>
>...it wouldn't work.
>
>>   If it is a different note type, then the difference in
>>  interaction could be reasonable.
>
>Even if you would call it a different note type (which by itself is 
>confusing, because the user sees the same and the implementation is 
>also the same), the same requirement holds that you MUST be able to 
>select it.
>
>>  Maybe it's just me, but because of
>>  the kind of research I do, i live with PDFs a big part of my days.
>>  the ability to interact with them in a very natural manner would be
>>  really helpful. And I'd love to be able to just pick up the pen on the
>>  graphics tablet and not have to switch a lot from it to the keyboard
>>  and back.
>>
>>  - Rick
>
>You can. Just make sure you keep the strokes sufficiently separated, 
>at least at the start of a new stroke.
>
>Christiaan
>
>
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