Hi Christiaan,

I hesitate to participate in a lengthy back-and-forth, out of respect  
for your time (time which has brought us a valuable tool!)
... but perhaps the following idea could help others and be  
implemented relatively easily.

Could the sorting be performed using the note's page number as the  
primary key, and the note's color as a secondary sort key?

I wouldn't want to advertise this as a final solution, but it might  
offer users an additional flexibility to match their preferences.  In  
terms of the implementation effort required, I am making the  
assumption that several of the required programatic elements are  
already in place, and easily accessible for this purpose ...

What do you think?

Best,
- Stu


On Jun 7, 2010, at 7:00 AM, Christiaan Hofman wrote:

>
> On Jun 7, 2010, at 12:41, Brennon Bortz wrote:
>
>> I would certainly use it if it might help overcome this  
>> shortcoming, but I'm having a problem with the process you're  
>> describing...
>>
>> You've stated the "obvious difficulty" of managing colours  
>> manually.  Yep, it sure is--especially in long documents and when  
>> there's no telling how colours are sorted.  It seems to be by hex  
>> value, but can anyone confirm this?
>>
>
> It's sorted by 8-bit HSBA components (hex values usually are RGB,  
> which is not really appropriate for ordering).
>
>> For what it's worth, if sorting notes in a custom order "isn't  
>> something that should need to be done", I'd say sorting arbitrarily  
>> by highlight colour certainly shouldn't be necessary!
>
> Which I've also argued, and I still have my doubts against. And  
> that's actually a very good point, because the upsides of the color  
> sorting is way better and the downside way lower than a column for  
> custom ordering. So if color ordering is questionable than  
> definitely custom ordering (and I won't go into more details, I want  
> to avoid a long back-and-forth.)
>
>> Hey, at least we can use the genuinely unnecessary function to make  
>> do when we don't have access to the one that would really be useful.
>
> Which is very much what was said about why the color sorting is a  
> really useful and necessary function. So you apparently agree with  
> me on principle.
>
> Christiaan
>
>> Either way, I'm happy to find a way to make it work--thanks for  
>> your help!
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Brennon Bortz
>> Ph.D. Researcher & Composer - Sonic Arts Research Centre
>> Queen's University, Belfast
>> [email protected] / [email protected]
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 7 Jun 2010, at 04:34, Stuart Andrews wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> One way to change the ordering of notes is to assign colors of  
>>> varying
>>> brightness to each of your notes.
>>>
>>> E.g.
>>> 1) highlight a note,
>>> 2) select menu>tools>show colors,
>>> 3) select a color (HSB slider controls work well),
>>> 4) close the color menu,
>>> 5) click the untitled header above the color swatches in the notes
>>> pane to re-order the notes
>>>
>>> The obvious difficulty with this approach is that you have to manage
>>> the colors manually.  This is cumbersome for one page, let alone the
>>> whole document.  And unless you only use one type of note (text,
>>> anchored, circle, box, etc.) , color-sorting will arrange these
>>> various note types in blocks of the same type.
>>>
>>> In summary, it can be done!  ... but it's unlikely that anyone would
>>> commonly use this approach.
>>>
>>> - Stu
>>>
>>> Stuart Andrews, Ph.D.
>>> Postdoctoral Associate
>>> Institute for Computational Biomedicine
>>> Weill Cornell Medical College, New York, NY
>>
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