On Mar 13, 2012, at 13:34, Eric Weir wrote:

> 
> On Mar 12, 2012, at 5:36 PM, Christiaan Hofman wrote:
> 
>> On Mar 12, 2012, at 21:11, Eric Weir wrote:
>> 
>>> While I'm at it another trivial issue: I've been irritated in the past by 
>>> not being able to turn of the "add text note" tool once I've used it. When 
>>> I went to select text I got a box for a note instead. I assumed the tools 
>>> were toggle-able. It appears the only way to turn one off is to select 
>>> another. Is that right?
>> 
>> Well, that's what a tool mode is about. (And what would toggling do other 
>> than going to another mode?) This is precisely what is the difference 
>> between the note tool modes and the New Note functions in the Notes menu. 
>> But why aren't you able to turn it off when all you do is choose another one?
> 
> Toggling could simply turn off a mode. Many apps feature such toggling. E.g., 
> it would appear, all the options under View in Skim.
> 

The point is: what does that mean? "Turn off a mode" has no meaning. You're 
always in a mode. (there is no "no mode mode") Only going from one mode to 
another has a meaning. The tool mode is a multi-value setting, not an on/off 
switch (you can also not be in multiple modes at the same time). This is just 
logic, not implementation.

> I had never used the New Note function of the Notes menu before. I assumed it 
> was identical to the new note mode of the toolbar. I see the difference now. 
> I'm not sure of the reason for it. Indeed, with respect to the toolbar's new 
> note mode it seems to me primarily a nuisance. My assumption initially and 
> all along, until now, was that it should either toggle or have only a 
> one-time effect, the way the New Note function of the Notes Menu. Is there a 
> reason?
> 

Well, that's also exactly what it does: it *either* toggles, *or* it has a 
one-time effect. They're just separate functions, allowing you to have both 
workflows. So you can have *both*. So you're really being inconsistent here 
about your complaints: on the one hand, you're complaining that it doesn't 
automatically switch back to text mode after adding a highlight, while now you 
say you don't understand why there's a (separate) function that adds a 
highlight while *keeping you in text mode*. Well, that's precisely the reason. 
People have different workflows (at different times). So you may want to select 
text and occasionally add a single highlight. Or you may just want to be in the 
process of adding a lot of highlights. In the first case, you want to be in 
text mode, and use the New Highlight function. In the second case, using the 
Highlight Tool Mode is much more convenient using a lot less actions. Now why 
should Skim tell you what your workflow has to be (as Preview does) when it can 
leave the choice to you?

Christiaan

> And I do see that by selecting another toolbar mode I can turn the preceding 
> one off.
> 
> Thanks for occasioning my learning about Skim. 
> 
> Sincerely,
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Eric Weir
> [email protected]
> 
> "Human coexistence and social life constitute the good common to us all 
> from which and thanks to which all cultural and social goods derive." 
> 
> - Zygmunt Bauman


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