Hello Doug, it's so great you can work with developers of the very application you're scripting. Lucky us! I hope this Russian doll like window thing won't be too confusing for us, but I know you're doing your best. Cheers, JPR http://myspace.com/jeanphilipperykiel
----- Original Message ----- From: Doug Lee To: a list for discussing skype and its use with screen access software. Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 8:04 PM Subject: [Skypeenglish] Skype 4.0 Beta: Important Info For JAWS Users This is a bit long, but I have a lot to say... As has already been announced here, Skype 4.0 Beta has been made public, though I don't think it's yet being made loudly public. Skype 4.0 is a very significant change from Skype 3 in its appearance and in how things are done. It is also still taking shape, which means that a number of features and basic functions, including accessibility in some places, are still being worked out. In this message, I will discuss some of the changes, comment on the status of accessibility in this beta, and provide information important to anyone who wishes to try it. In summary though, I do not recommend the beta for most JAWS users yet, but I am working with Skype developers, and actually meeting some of them in person, to accelerate the implementation of full accessibility for Skype 4. Anyone who still wants to try this beta should read this message to its end, get the beta scripts I will announce, read and regularly check back with my web page on Skype 4 and the Skype 4 scripts, and report any issues that are not already shown there to me and/or this mailing list. Before I say more, let me demonstrate what I mean by "very significant change" by describing a few things that have happened: 1. There is now the concept of a "conversation," which includes chats, calls, contact detail requests, etc. between you and someone else. One significance of this is that a "missed call" will no longer show up in an Events panel but will instead show up as a line in a conversation window, right along with chat lines you may have been exchanging with that person. Our Ctrl+Shift+E command still reads the Account panel, which contains your name, mood text, and account balance; but there aren't any events there anymore. I am making Alt+numbers continue to read chats, so this is where you would now find missed calls. 2. Chat windows, which have always been separate from the Skype window, are now contained within it. This means that you will generally only have one Skype window and will just move among things inside it to move among conversations, calls, etc. There is actually a way to "open" a chat window and make it separate as before, but this is not the default way to handle chats now. 3. Conversations are listed in a list box, sort of like the Contact list. This list is sometimes called the Inbox now. You can still start a conversation by right-clicking on a contact in the Contact list, but you can also move among active conversations by pressing Enter on conversations in the Inbox list. There's a lot more I could say, but you get the idea: A lot has happened to Skype! As for grabbing and trying the beta, I do not recommend this yet for most JAWS users. I am working closely with Skype developers on making things accessible, and there is a notable amount of accessibility already in the beta; but we still have a ways to go before the whole picture is painted, so to speak. I am actually personally meeting with some of the Skype developers this weekend to discuss how to make things more accessible to us, and I can tell you firsthand that the commitment is there. As I said in an earlier message this morning though, accessibility is far from the only thing not complete at this stage. Now, for those of you who simply won't be warned off by such an announcement (<grin>), here are some things you should know if you plan to play with this Skype beta: 1. The current JAWS scripts for Skype 3 will not work very well with Skype 4, and the Skype 4 scripts (see below) will not work very well with Skype 3. There is just too much changed to make it wise or practical to have one set of scripts support both environments. Therefore, I recommend that you back up your Skype 3 scripts before trying Skype 4. The easiest way to "back up" the Skype 3 scripts is just to keep a copy of the installer for them, which you can rerun any time you want those scripts back. Also keep an installer for your Skype 3 version of choice, so you can beat a full and hasty retreat if necessary. 2. My web site now hosts a set of beta scripts for Skype 4.0. To find them, go to http://www.dlee.org/skype/skype4.php Please read the material there carefully, including the admittedly long list of known issues, before downloading and installing the scripts. Note that this page is *NOT* findable from the main Skype script page yet; this is not an accident. :-) 3. There is a bug in this Skype 4 Beta release that causes Skype to crash under certain conditions if JAWS is running when you press Tab or Shift+Tab in a conversation pane. This issue is being addressed by Skype itself and not via scripting. The web site mentioned above explains how to get around this safely. To all of you who prefer to stay in more comfortable and calm waters, rest assured, Skype 4 accessibility is stabilizing right along with Skype 4 itself, and both I and the Skype developers and company are committed to making this happen. -- Doug Lee dgl at dlee.org SSB BART Group doug.lee at ssbbartgroup.com http://www.ssbbartgroup.com "I forgot, because I wanted to forget, except I don't remember forgetting." --Sarah Alawami Thanks for posting to the skype english list. To access scripts for the latest version of skype go to http://www.dlee.org/skype To access tutorials and other goodies go to http://www.marrie.org/skype/skype.html thanks and have a wonderful day. _______________________________________________ Skypeenglish mailing list Skypeenglish at emissives.com http://emissives.com/mailman/listinfo/skypeenglish_emissives.com
