Boy is he! doing his best! You're right. Dug, for what it is worth, this is commendable! what you've so far done.
Chris. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jean Philippe" <[email protected]> To: "a list for discussing skype and its use with screen access software." <skypeenglish at emissives.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 5:48 PM Subject: Re: [Skypeenglish] Skype 4.0 Beta: Important Info For JAWS Users > Hello Doug, > it's so great you can work with developers of the very application you're > scripting. Lucky us! > I hope this Russian doll like window thing won't be too confusing for us, > but I know you're doing your best. > Cheers, > JPR > http://myspace.com/jeanphilipperykiel > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Doug Lee > To: a list for discussing skype and its use with screen access software. > Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 8:04 PM > Subject: [Skypeenglish] Skype 4.0 Beta: Important Info For JAWS Users > > > > This is a bit long, but I have a lot to say... > > As has already been announced here, Skype 4.0 Beta has been made > public, though I don't think it's yet being made loudly public. > Skype 4.0 is a very significant change from Skype 3 in its appearance > and in how things are done. It is also still taking shape, which > means that a number of features and basic functions, including > accessibility in some places, are still being worked out. In this > message, I will discuss some of the changes, comment on the status > of accessibility in this beta, and provide information important > to anyone who wishes to try it. In summary though, I do not recommend > the beta for most JAWS users yet, but I am working with Skype > developers, and actually meeting some of them in person, to accelerate > the implementation of full accessibility for Skype 4. Anyone who > still wants to try this beta should read this message to its end, > get the beta scripts I will announce, read and regularly check back > with my web page on Skype 4 and the Skype 4 scripts, and report any > issues that are not already shown there to me and/or this mailing > list. > > Before I say more, let me demonstrate what I mean by "very significant > change" by describing a few things that have happened: > > 1. There is now the concept of a "conversation," which includes > chats, calls, contact detail requests, etc. between you and someone > else. One significance of this is that a "missed call" will no > longer show up in an Events panel but will instead show up as a > line in a conversation window, right along with chat lines you may > have been exchanging with that person. Our Ctrl+Shift+E command still > reads the Account panel, which contains your name, mood text, and > account balance; but there aren't any events there anymore. I am > making Alt+numbers continue to read chats, so this is where you would > now find missed calls. > > 2. Chat windows, which have always been separate from the Skype > window, are now contained within it. This means that you will > generally only have one Skype window and will just move among things > inside it to move among conversations, calls, etc. There is actually > a way to "open" a chat window and make it separate as before, but this > is not the default way to handle chats now. > > 3. Conversations are listed in a list box, sort of like the Contact > list. This list is sometimes called the Inbox now. You can still > start a conversation by right-clicking on a contact in the Contact > list, but you can also move among active conversations by pressing > Enter on conversations in the Inbox list. > > There's a lot more I could say, but you get the idea: A lot has > happened to Skype! > > As for grabbing and trying the beta, I do not recommend this yet for > most JAWS users. I am working closely with Skype developers on making > things accessible, and there is a notable amount of accessibility > already in the beta; but we still have a ways to go before the whole > picture is painted, so to speak. I am actually personally meeting > with some of the Skype developers this weekend to discuss how to make > things more accessible to us, and I can tell you firsthand that the > commitment is there. As I said in an earlier message this morning > though, accessibility is far from the only thing not complete at this > stage. > > Now, for those of you who simply won't be warned off by such an > announcement (<grin>), here are some things you should know if you > plan to play with this Skype beta: > > 1. The current JAWS scripts for Skype 3 will not work very well > with Skype 4, and the Skype 4 scripts (see below) will not work > very well with Skype 3. There is just too much changed to make it > wise or practical to have one set of scripts support both environments. > Therefore, I recommend that you back up your Skype 3 scripts before > trying Skype 4. The easiest way to "back up" the Skype 3 scripts > is just to keep a copy of the installer for them, which you can > rerun any time you want those scripts back. Also keep an installer > for your Skype 3 version of choice, so you can beat a full and hasty > retreat if necessary. > > 2. My web site now hosts a set of beta scripts for Skype 4.0. To > find them, go to > > http://www.dlee.org/skype/skype4.php > > Please read the material there carefully, including the admittedly > long list of known issues, before downloading and installing the > scripts. Note that this page is *NOT* findable from the main Skype > script page yet; this is not an accident. :-) > > 3. There is a bug in this Skype 4 Beta release that causes Skype > to crash under certain conditions if JAWS is running when you press > Tab or Shift+Tab in a conversation pane. This issue is being > addressed by Skype itself and not via scripting. The web site > mentioned above explains how to get around this safely. > > To all of you who prefer to stay in more comfortable and calm waters, > rest assured, Skype 4 accessibility is stabilizing right along with > Skype 4 itself, and both I and the Skype developers and company are > committed to making this happen. > > -- > Doug Lee dgl at dlee.org > SSB BART Group doug.lee at ssbbartgroup.com > http://www.ssbbartgroup.com > "I forgot, because I wanted to forget, except I don't remember > forgetting." --Sarah Alawami > > Thanks for posting to the skype english list. To access scripts for the > latest version of skype go to > http://www.dlee.org/skype > To access tutorials and other goodies go to > http://www.marrie.org/skype/skype.html > thanks and have a wonderful day. > > > _______________________________________________ > Skypeenglish mailing list > Skypeenglish at emissives.com > http://emissives.com/mailman/listinfo/skypeenglish_emissives.com > Thanks for posting to the skype english list. To access scripts for the > latest version of skype go to > http://www.dlee.org/skype > To access tutorials and other goodies go to > http://www.marrie.org/skype/skype.html > thanks and have a wonderful day. > > > _______________________________________________ > Skypeenglish mailing list > Skypeenglish at emissives.com > http://emissives.com/mailman/listinfo/skypeenglish_emissives.com >
