the good thing with the esc key on skype so that you can cut the call easily or use alt and page down if u have the hot key enabled, people have choices but I like that feature.
Mark Conquer -------------------------------------------------- From: "Chris Gilland Desktop" <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 5:00 PM To: "a list for discussing skype and its use with screen accesssoftware." <skypeenglish at emissives.com> Subject: Re: [Skypeenglish] scripts for beta 4 > O, yeah, they took that out. I was actually impressed for those sake who > found that annoying, which I was not one of 'em, but, in any rate... > > Chris. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Larry Gassman" <lgsinger at sbcglobal.net> > To: "a list for discussing skype and its use with screen access software." > <skypeenglish at emissives.com> > Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 9:51 AM > Subject: Re: [Skypeenglish] scripts for beta 4 > > >>I haven't physically had the time to upgrade to beta 4, so obviously >> I was unaware of the escape key being taken away. >> Excellent. >> Larry >> At 10:13 AM 6-22-2008, you wrote: >>>Have you even tried? hitting the escape key in a call? If you have with >>>skype4, you'd know, there is no reason for your concern. it's already >>>taken >>>out. It no longer does that. >>> >>>Chris. >>> >>> >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: "Larry Gassman" <lgsinger at sbcglobal.net> >>>To: "a list for discussing skype and its use with screen access >>>software." >>><skypeenglish at emissives.com> >>>Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2008 9:58 AM >>>Subject: Re: [Skypeenglish] scripts for beta 4 >>> >>> >>> > Well, as long as everyone seems to be playing programmer regarding >>> > the beta, I wish that once again we could get rid of the escape key >>> > when ending a call. Yes, I know that I can go in and script for >>> > this, but it is very aggravating when speaking to someone and you hit >>> > the escape key and they disappear. >>> > If we're going to make comments about what we like and do not like in >>> > Beta 4 with regard to accessibility, then I'll ad my comets about the >>> > escape key once again. >>> > Thanks. >>> > Larry >>> > At 08:00 PM 6-21-2008, you wrote: >>> >>Pardon my replying in mid-post format instead of top-posting like we >>> >>normally do on lists populated primarily by blind people. I'm >>> >>forwarding this entire message to a Skype guy who's currently sitting >>> >>across a table from me in a Hilton hotel bar. <grin> >>> >> >>> >>On Sat, Jun 21, 2008 at 07:03:10PM -0700, jim grimsby Jr. wrote: >>> >> > I would first like to start out by commending doug for excellent >>> >> > work >>> >> > on >>> >> > the new scripts. You are simply amazing getting a beta version of >>> >> > the >>> >> > scripts out only three days after the initial release of Beta one >>> >> > is >>> >> > quite >>> >> > impressive. >>> >> >>> >>They were actually out on the same day as the beta release, but I'm >>> >>afraid that wasn't as amazing as you might think. I started work on >>> >>these weeks ago. <smile> >>> >> >>> >> > That being said I would like to say a few things about the Skype >>> >> > beta >>> >> > itself. >>> >> > I will try to keep most of my comments on accessibility concerns >>> >> > since >>> >> > that >>> >> > is the purpose of this list. >>> >> > Skype has switched from a multiple window system and multiple tab >>> >> > system to >>> >> > a multiple pain system. >>> >> > This being said, the standard keyboard command for switching >>> >> > between >>> >> > panes >>> >> > is F6 to move forward by pain and shipped F6 to move backward by >>> >> > pain. >>> >> > They should implement jumping to pains with control and the number >>> >> > keys. >>> >> > With all of the available panes appearing in the view menu. >>> >> >>> >>There are only two panes. The left pane is where the Contact list or >>> >>the Conversation list appear, whichever you choose. Skype natively >>> >>lets you type Alt+1 or Alt+2 to show and focus Contacts or >>> >>Conversations in that pane, respectively. I changed those to Ctrl+1 >>> >>and Ctrl+2 to keep from conflicting with the normal Alt+numbers for >>> >>reading chat messages, and I am encouraging Skype to make that change >>> >>internally. The View menu also has options to switch between Contacts >>> >>and Conversations, but again, those are two lists in the left pane, >>> >>only one of which shows up at a time. My recommendation, based on >>> >>yours and on what's already being done, is that F6 and Shift+F6 be >>> >>implemented because they are standard pane-switching commands, but >>> >>that Ctrl+numbers *not* be assigned to jumping to specific panes, as >>> >>they have better uses. >>> >> >>> >>If more than two panes can exist in Skype 4, I don't know it but that >>> >>might change my recommendations a bit. >>> >> >>> >> > The context menu shortcuts should be changed to mean something >>> >> > useful. >>> >> > For >>> >> > example, when in the context pane and you right click on >>> >> a contact all of >>> >> > the items for sends spell out the word send. Sorry this is not >>> >> > intuitive. If I want to send an instant message, the intuitive >>> >> > shortcut >>> >> > would be i. if I want to send a person a file the intuitive >>> >> > shortcut >>> >> > would >>> >> > be f, and so on. >>> >> > We have the same problem in the menu bar with three items starting >>> >> > with >>> >> > the >>> >> > letter C. all of them having the shortcut of c. >>> >> > Let the shortcut for Paul be the letter a. Let the shortcut for >>> >> > conversation be the letter C. and let the shortcut for contacts be >>> >> > the >>> >> > letter o. >>> >> >>> >>Agreed: (1) each shortcut must be unique to make them useful, and (2) >>> >>they should be assigned mnemonically, not aesthetically. Standard >>> >>shortcut assignment rules are to pick the first available letter for >>> >>each option, but this was causing problems of consistency before, like >>> >>Alt+O for Options changing to Alt+P when an item was added above >>> >>Options in the Tools menu, and View Profile in Context menus being V >>> >>in some and W in others. I therefore propose that a mnemonic >>> >>assignment, once assigned, not change as new menu items are >>> >>added--particularly when the already-assigned item is frequently used. >>> >> >>> >> > Put the change your mood text back in the profile menu. After >>> >> > all, >>> >> > you >>> >> > have add video to my mood. So why not a change your mood text >>> >> > menu >>> >> > item? >>> >> >>> >>Agreed. >>> >> >>> >> > Remove duplicates >>> >> > For example in the options dialog there are two places to >>> >> > configure >>> >> > sound >>> >> > and video. They do the same thing one place for this configuration >>> >> > is >>> >> > enough. >>> >> > Another thing is there is an option to set privacy in the skype >>> >> > menu >>> >> > this >>> >> > can already be done within the options dialog so having this menu >>> >> > option is >>> >> > pointless. I am sure you get the idea. >>> >> >>> >>I don't care one way or the other on this, but I suspect >>> >>business/marketing forces drive where menu items appear sometimes. I >>> >>would consider this a low-priority issue. >>> >> >>> >> > In the skype menu you have the option called presence. Short >>> >> cut again is >>> >> > p. >>> >> > And then you have the option called profile, and guess what the >>> >> > short >>> >> > cut >>> >> > is p. change presence back to change status. Short cut of s put >>> >> sign out in >>> >> > that sub menu where it belongs. >>> >> > Put change pass word in the profile section where it >>> >> belong. Remove the buy >>> >> > credit menu option it is a link in the account section and there >>> >> > for >>> >> > not >>> >> > needed in the skype menu. >>> >> > Put share skype with a friend in the contacts section. After all >>> >> > you >>> >> > are >>> >> > sharing it with him in Oder to contact him right? >>> >> >>> >>A lot of ideas there, but again, I think we're up against business >>> >>decisions, and I would not urge high priority on these items. >>> >> >>> >> > Rename the tools menu to options. >>> >> > Rename the options dialog to preferences. >>> >> >>> >>I do not think this is a good idea because the existing names have >>> >>been around for a long time and people are used to them. >>> >> >>> >> > More exselorator keys. >>> >> > Like create new contact control+n. >>> >> > Preferences control+p. etc. >>> >> > Or as I said in the past the ability to set global hot keys and >>> >> > local >>> >> > ones. >>> >> > With defaults set and turned on. >>> >> >>> >>The extra accelerators would be helpful, yes. To explain local vs. >>> >>global hotkeys for the benefit of those who never saw that discussion: >>> >>"Global hotkeys" are what we have now. "Local hotkeys" would only >>> >>work when a Skype window is in focus. I thought this would be too >>> >>confusing for most users, but I'm forwarding the idea for others to >>> >>ponder. >>> >> >>> >> > Doug take these ideas and forward what you think will be helpful >>> >> and discard >>> >> > the rest as usual. >>> >> >>> >>Doing so directly. I will not often do things quite like this, but >>> >>since I am actually out here with Skype developers in person, it seems >>> >>to make sense this weekend. :-) Btw, pardon any typos, I'm typing >>> >>this over the top of some fairly loud music and conversation. >>> >> >>> >>-- >>> >>Doug Lee dgl at dlee.org >>> >>SSB BART >>> >>Group doug.lee at ssbbartgroup.com >>> >>http://www.ssbbartgroup.com >>> >>"The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them >>> >>to choose from." -- Andrew Tanenbaum >>> >> >>> >>Thanks for posting to the skype english list. To access scripts for >>> >>the latest version of skype go to >>> >>http://www.dlee.org/skype >>> >>To access tutorials and other goodies go to >>> >>http://www.marrie.org/skype/skype.html >>> >>thanks and have a wonderful day. >>> >> >>> >> >>> >>_______________________________________________ >>> >>Skypeenglish mailing list >>> >>Skypeenglish at emissives.com >>> >>http://emissives.com/mailman/listinfo/skypeenglish_emissives.com >>> > >>> > >>> > Thanks for posting to the skype english list. To access scripts for >>> > the >>> > latest version of skype go to >>> > http://www.dlee.org/skype >>> > To access tutorials and other goodies go to >>> > http://www.marrie.org/skype/skype.html >>> > thanks and have a wonderful day. >>> > >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > Skypeenglish mailing list >>> > Skypeenglish at emissives.com >>> > http://emissives.com/mailman/listinfo/skypeenglish_emissives.com >>> > >>> >>> >>>Thanks for posting to the skype english list. To access scripts for >>>the latest version of skype go to >>>http://www.dlee.org/skype >>>To access tutorials and other goodies go to >>>http://www.marrie.org/skype/skype.html >>>thanks and have a wonderful day. >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Skypeenglish mailing list >>>Skypeenglish at emissives.com >>>http://emissives.com/mailman/listinfo/skypeenglish_emissives.com >> >> >> Thanks for posting to the skype english list. To access scripts for the >> latest version of skype go to >> http://www.dlee.org/skype >> To access tutorials and other goodies go to >> http://www.marrie.org/skype/skype.html >> thanks and have a wonderful day. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Skypeenglish mailing list >> Skypeenglish at emissives.com >> http://emissives.com/mailman/listinfo/skypeenglish_emissives.com >> > > > Thanks for posting to the skype english list. To access scripts for the > latest version of skype go to > http://www.dlee.org/skype > To access tutorials and other goodies go to > http://www.marrie.org/skype/skype.html > thanks and have a wonderful day. > > > _______________________________________________ > Skypeenglish mailing list > Skypeenglish at emissives.com > http://emissives.com/mailman/listinfo/skypeenglish_emissives.com >
