O, yeah, they took that out. I was actually impressed for those sake who found that annoying, which I was not one of 'em, but, in any rate...
Chris. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Gassman" <[email protected]> To: "a list for discussing skype and its use with screen access software." <skypeenglish at emissives.com> Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 9:51 AM Subject: Re: [Skypeenglish] scripts for beta 4 >I haven't physically had the time to upgrade to beta 4, so obviously > I was unaware of the escape key being taken away. > Excellent. > Larry > At 10:13 AM 6-22-2008, you wrote: >>Have you even tried? hitting the escape key in a call? If you have with >>skype4, you'd know, there is no reason for your concern. it's already >>taken >>out. It no longer does that. >> >>Chris. >> >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Larry Gassman" <lgsinger at sbcglobal.net> >>To: "a list for discussing skype and its use with screen access software." >><skypeenglish at emissives.com> >>Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2008 9:58 AM >>Subject: Re: [Skypeenglish] scripts for beta 4 >> >> >> > Well, as long as everyone seems to be playing programmer regarding >> > the beta, I wish that once again we could get rid of the escape key >> > when ending a call. Yes, I know that I can go in and script for >> > this, but it is very aggravating when speaking to someone and you hit >> > the escape key and they disappear. >> > If we're going to make comments about what we like and do not like in >> > Beta 4 with regard to accessibility, then I'll ad my comets about the >> > escape key once again. >> > Thanks. >> > Larry >> > At 08:00 PM 6-21-2008, you wrote: >> >>Pardon my replying in mid-post format instead of top-posting like we >> >>normally do on lists populated primarily by blind people. I'm >> >>forwarding this entire message to a Skype guy who's currently sitting >> >>across a table from me in a Hilton hotel bar. <grin> >> >> >> >>On Sat, Jun 21, 2008 at 07:03:10PM -0700, jim grimsby Jr. wrote: >> >> > I would first like to start out by commending doug for excellent >> >> > work >> >> > on >> >> > the new scripts. You are simply amazing getting a beta version of >> >> > the >> >> > scripts out only three days after the initial release of Beta one >> >> > is >> >> > quite >> >> > impressive. >> >> >> >>They were actually out on the same day as the beta release, but I'm >> >>afraid that wasn't as amazing as you might think. I started work on >> >>these weeks ago. <smile> >> >> >> >> > That being said I would like to say a few things about the Skype >> >> > beta >> >> > itself. >> >> > I will try to keep most of my comments on accessibility concerns >> >> > since >> >> > that >> >> > is the purpose of this list. >> >> > Skype has switched from a multiple window system and multiple tab >> >> > system to >> >> > a multiple pain system. >> >> > This being said, the standard keyboard command for switching between >> >> > panes >> >> > is F6 to move forward by pain and shipped F6 to move backward by >> >> > pain. >> >> > They should implement jumping to pains with control and the number >> >> > keys. >> >> > With all of the available panes appearing in the view menu. >> >> >> >>There are only two panes. The left pane is where the Contact list or >> >>the Conversation list appear, whichever you choose. Skype natively >> >>lets you type Alt+1 or Alt+2 to show and focus Contacts or >> >>Conversations in that pane, respectively. I changed those to Ctrl+1 >> >>and Ctrl+2 to keep from conflicting with the normal Alt+numbers for >> >>reading chat messages, and I am encouraging Skype to make that change >> >>internally. The View menu also has options to switch between Contacts >> >>and Conversations, but again, those are two lists in the left pane, >> >>only one of which shows up at a time. My recommendation, based on >> >>yours and on what's already being done, is that F6 and Shift+F6 be >> >>implemented because they are standard pane-switching commands, but >> >>that Ctrl+numbers *not* be assigned to jumping to specific panes, as >> >>they have better uses. >> >> >> >>If more than two panes can exist in Skype 4, I don't know it but that >> >>might change my recommendations a bit. >> >> >> >> > The context menu shortcuts should be changed to mean something >> >> > useful. >> >> > For >> >> > example, when in the context pane and you right click on >> >> a contact all of >> >> > the items for sends spell out the word send. Sorry this is not >> >> > intuitive. If I want to send an instant message, the intuitive >> >> > shortcut >> >> > would be i. if I want to send a person a file the intuitive >> >> > shortcut >> >> > would >> >> > be f, and so on. >> >> > We have the same problem in the menu bar with three items starting >> >> > with >> >> > the >> >> > letter C. all of them having the shortcut of c. >> >> > Let the shortcut for Paul be the letter a. Let the shortcut for >> >> > conversation be the letter C. and let the shortcut for contacts be >> >> > the >> >> > letter o. >> >> >> >>Agreed: (1) each shortcut must be unique to make them useful, and (2) >> >>they should be assigned mnemonically, not aesthetically. Standard >> >>shortcut assignment rules are to pick the first available letter for >> >>each option, but this was causing problems of consistency before, like >> >>Alt+O for Options changing to Alt+P when an item was added above >> >>Options in the Tools menu, and View Profile in Context menus being V >> >>in some and W in others. I therefore propose that a mnemonic >> >>assignment, once assigned, not change as new menu items are >> >>added--particularly when the already-assigned item is frequently used. >> >> >> >> > Put the change your mood text back in the profile menu. After >> >> > all, >> >> > you >> >> > have add video to my mood. So why not a change your mood text menu >> >> > item? >> >> >> >>Agreed. >> >> >> >> > Remove duplicates >> >> > For example in the options dialog there are two places to configure >> >> > sound >> >> > and video. They do the same thing one place for this configuration >> >> > is >> >> > enough. >> >> > Another thing is there is an option to set privacy in the skype >> >> > menu >> >> > this >> >> > can already be done within the options dialog so having this menu >> >> > option is >> >> > pointless. I am sure you get the idea. >> >> >> >>I don't care one way or the other on this, but I suspect >> >>business/marketing forces drive where menu items appear sometimes. I >> >>would consider this a low-priority issue. >> >> >> >> > In the skype menu you have the option called presence. Short >> >> cut again is >> >> > p. >> >> > And then you have the option called profile, and guess what the >> >> > short >> >> > cut >> >> > is p. change presence back to change status. Short cut of s put >> >> sign out in >> >> > that sub menu where it belongs. >> >> > Put change pass word in the profile section where it >> >> belong. Remove the buy >> >> > credit menu option it is a link in the account section and there >> >> > for >> >> > not >> >> > needed in the skype menu. >> >> > Put share skype with a friend in the contacts section. After all >> >> > you >> >> > are >> >> > sharing it with him in Oder to contact him right? >> >> >> >>A lot of ideas there, but again, I think we're up against business >> >>decisions, and I would not urge high priority on these items. >> >> >> >> > Rename the tools menu to options. >> >> > Rename the options dialog to preferences. >> >> >> >>I do not think this is a good idea because the existing names have >> >>been around for a long time and people are used to them. >> >> >> >> > More exselorator keys. >> >> > Like create new contact control+n. >> >> > Preferences control+p. etc. >> >> > Or as I said in the past the ability to set global hot keys and >> >> > local >> >> > ones. >> >> > With defaults set and turned on. >> >> >> >>The extra accelerators would be helpful, yes. To explain local vs. >> >>global hotkeys for the benefit of those who never saw that discussion: >> >>"Global hotkeys" are what we have now. "Local hotkeys" would only >> >>work when a Skype window is in focus. I thought this would be too >> >>confusing for most users, but I'm forwarding the idea for others to >> >>ponder. >> >> >> >> > Doug take these ideas and forward what you think will be helpful >> >> and discard >> >> > the rest as usual. >> >> >> >>Doing so directly. I will not often do things quite like this, but >> >>since I am actually out here with Skype developers in person, it seems >> >>to make sense this weekend. :-) Btw, pardon any typos, I'm typing >> >>this over the top of some fairly loud music and conversation. >> >> >> >>-- >> >>Doug Lee dgl at dlee.org >> >>SSB BART >> >>Group doug.lee at ssbbartgroup.com http://www.ssbbartgroup.com >> >>"The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them >> >>to choose from." -- Andrew Tanenbaum >> >> >> >>Thanks for posting to the skype english list. To access scripts for >> >>the latest version of skype go to >> >>http://www.dlee.org/skype >> >>To access tutorials and other goodies go to >> >>http://www.marrie.org/skype/skype.html >> >>thanks and have a wonderful day. >> >> >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >> >>Skypeenglish mailing list >> >>Skypeenglish at emissives.com >> >>http://emissives.com/mailman/listinfo/skypeenglish_emissives.com >> > >> > >> > Thanks for posting to the skype english list. To access scripts for >> > the >> > latest version of skype go to >> > http://www.dlee.org/skype >> > To access tutorials and other goodies go to >> > http://www.marrie.org/skype/skype.html >> > thanks and have a wonderful day. >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Skypeenglish mailing list >> > Skypeenglish at emissives.com >> > http://emissives.com/mailman/listinfo/skypeenglish_emissives.com >> > >> >> >>Thanks for posting to the skype english list. To access scripts for >>the latest version of skype go to >>http://www.dlee.org/skype >>To access tutorials and other goodies go to >>http://www.marrie.org/skype/skype.html >>thanks and have a wonderful day. >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Skypeenglish mailing list >>Skypeenglish at emissives.com >>http://emissives.com/mailman/listinfo/skypeenglish_emissives.com > > > Thanks for posting to the skype english list. To access scripts for the > latest version of skype go to > http://www.dlee.org/skype > To access tutorials and other goodies go to > http://www.marrie.org/skype/skype.html > thanks and have a wonderful day. > > > _______________________________________________ > Skypeenglish mailing list > Skypeenglish at emissives.com > http://emissives.com/mailman/listinfo/skypeenglish_emissives.com >
