No I was looking at the time it took to enable skype watch and the time it
took to turn on the alerts. So the skype watch could read them.  Then I
looked at the time it took to activate the communication threw the api.  And
they were relatively the same.  
My other remark about braking the screen reader has nothing really to do
with skype watch.  It has to do with the simply horrible way fs handles
adding global scripts. And no that is not a stretch.  
Not trying to start a screen reader war here both have their good points and
I use both.  

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:skypeenglish-bounces at emissives.com] On Behalf Of David Allen
Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 8:35 PM
To: a list for discussing skype and its use with screen accesssoftware.
Subject: Re: [Skypeenglish] a note to window eyes 7.0 beta one users.using
skype.

Hi Jim and list!

Isn't that stretching things just a bit? Either screen reader requires a
certain amount of work to achieve Skype functionality. That much is
certainly true. Debating which approach of work is the more worth doing is
essentially the same as debating the relative merits of each screen reader
itself, and there are no true winners or losers with such a pointless
debate. 


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: jim grimsby Jr. 
  To: 'a list for discussing skype and its use with screen access software.'

  Sent: Friday, June 27, 2008 3:13 PM
  Subject: Re: [Skypeenglish] a note to window eyes 7.0 beta one users.using
skype.


  Hi for perspective it is about the same amount of work to get skype watch
  working in jaws.  One advantage is while you are trying to get the access
to
  the skype api you cannot make an error that will render your screen reader
  useless.  Please note this is not a slur on Doug.  I love the skype
scripts
  for jaws don't get me wrong but there are advantages to this method window
  eyes is using.  And quite frankly the way jaws handles global scripts
sucks.

  -----Original Message-----
  From: skypeenglish-bounces at emissives.com
  [mailto:skypeenglish-bounces at emissives.com] On Behalf Of David Allen
  Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 2:21 PM
  To: a list for discussing skype and its use with screen accesssoftware.
  Subject: Re: [Skypeenglish] a note to window eyes 7.0 beta one users.
using
  skype.

  Hi Doug and list!

  I'm glad you did it the way you did it. It may be great to get into the
  Skype API as other programmes like Call burner and the Actiontek phone
  wizard do. In my experience, the permission dialogue doesn't speak as
  reliably as it should when it pops up, so knowing I don't have to look for
  that or work through it seems like a good thing to me.

  Cheers,
  Dave
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Doug Lee 
    To: a list for discussing skype and its use with screen access software.

    Sent: Friday, June 27, 2008 1:22 AM
    Subject: Re: [Skypeenglish] a note to window eyes 7.0 beta one users.
  using skype.


    Oops, sorry if I seemed confrontational somehow there.  I was just
    explaining to anyone who did not know, or remember, why I didn't do
    this in JAWS.  It's a natural thing to wonder.

    On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 04:33:53AM -0700, jim grimsby Jr. wrote:
    Hi Doug we spoke on this subject some time ago.
    I understand why you did things the way you did and have no disagreement
    with it at all trust me.  You are four times or maybe five times the
    scripter I am and so I would not even dear to disagree with you even if
I
    did witch I do not.  Window eyes does not have this problem.  However
and
  it
    is using vb script to access the information. Also I have no idea if a
    sounder could be included however I do know the Miranda skype plug in
  knows
    when someone is typing and when they have stopped doing so.  
    Also another note is this.  if ensted of seeing wecom in the manage
  program
    access to skype you see wineyes.exe this is ok just tell it to allow
  access
    to skype.  
    Hth 

    -----Original Message-----
    From: skypeenglish-bounces at emissives.com
    [mailto:skypeenglish-bounces at emissives.com] On Behalf Of Doug Lee
    Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 9:29 PM
    To: a list for discussing skype and its use with screen access software.
    Subject: Re: [Skypeenglish] a note to window eyes 7.0 beta one users.
  using
    skype.

    I don't think the Skype API provides the info necessary to implement a
    typing sounder.  The Skype API is consistent across Skype versions,
    but it does not provide everything.  It should be possible to script
    for previous message review though.

    Btw, I did not use the Skype API in the JAWS scripts because of a
    rather interesting problem:  If you lock your computer with Windows+L
    or Alt+Ctrl+Delete, or if it locks by itself due to a screen saver,
    and you're running JAWS scripts that use the Skype API via the
    Skype4COM wrapper, JAWS will not realize that the screen has changed
    and will continue to tell you that you are in whatever application you
    were in before the lock.  If that application happened to be Internet
    Explorer, JAWS will continually try to get hold of the IE Document
    Object Model every time you press a key and will treat your key
    presses as JAWS Quick Keys, as it normally would in IE.
    Unfortunately, the attempts to get the IE DOM object cause major
    delays, and the upshot of all this is that JAWS will become terribly
    unresponsive, like waiting some ten seconds to announce each key
    press.  You would thus have a very difficult time figuring out that
    your computer is locked, you need to type a password, Quick Keys are
    enabled, and you have to type JAWSKey+Z, then your password, then
    Enter, to get your computer back.  Needless to say, I don't consider
    this an acceptable scenario to foist upon the unsuspecting user of
    Skype scripts. <grin>

    On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 09:05:31PM -0700, jim grimsby Jr. wrote:
    Hello,  
    As everyone now knows the window eyes beta 1 for 7.0 was released
  yesterday.
    There is now scripting support for that beta.  There is now a skype
script
    that uses the skype API to get access to the information from skype.
    This has a number of advantages.  The API calls will not change very
much
    from version to version.  So no matter what happens with the user
  interface
    the window eyes scripts will not have to be reworked every time skype
    changes something.  More information can be provided that is not
provided
    threw the tray alerts.  For example window-eyes will tell you when a
user
    has signed out what the on line status is etc.  
    The only problem is that you have to do two things to get this to work.
    First you must install the skype extras manager.  This is the default
when
    installing skype.  If you don't have this installed you will get a nasty
    little error message from window-eyes about a vb script run time error.
If
    this happens run the skype setup again.  Click the options button and
then
    tab over to install extras manager. Check this box and go ahead with the
    install like you normally would.  Now if you should go in to the
advanced
    section of option never ever ever disable the check box that reads
    automatically start extras manager. 
    Now when skype starts it should ask if you want to allow  wecom  to
access
    skype.  Select always and press enter.
    If this does not happen you will not get an error from window-eyes any
  more
    but it will not be able to access the skype  API.  
    So now we will need to tell skype to do this.
    To do this open the skype main window.  Press alt t for toos and arrow
up
  to
    options.  
    Press enter here.
    Now arrow down in the tree tell you find advanced.  Ok now tab over to
    manage programs access to skype. Press space bar.
    Now you will be in the list of programs that have requested skype
access.
    Now there is a problem with tracking this list gw micro is already aware
  of
    this problem and they  assure me they are looking in to it.  So now what
    you need to do is press ensert pluss.  This will route the mouse to the
  list
    box.  Now you need to press ensert page up tell you here wecom. Press
the
    slash key to click on this option.
    If a dialog comes up asking question about wecom like should it be run
    hidden etc press escape.  Now tab over to change and select the option
in
    the list that says allow this program to access skype.  Click ok click
ok
    again and click save.  
    Now you will have all the support you need from the skype scripts.  
    Anything you want to see added to the scripts for skype send them to
    suppot at gwmicro.com.
    Hope this information is helpful.
    p.s one thing I would love to see is message review. Meaning the ability
  to
    pres a key and see the ten most recent messages.  
    A typing sounder would also be nice indention  to hearing the spoken
    message.  Note we will not luse this in beta four with window eyes
because
    the api will still provide this information. 



    Thanks for posting to the skype english list. To  access scripts for the
    latest version of skype go to 
    http://www.dlee.org/skype
    To access tutorials and other goodies go to
    http://www.marrie.org/skype/skype.html
    thanks and have a wonderful day.


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    http://www.ssbbartgroup.com
    "All these years, the people said, 'He's acting like a kid.'
    He did not know he could not fly, so he did."
    --Guy Clark, "The Cape" (Dublin Blues)

    Thanks for posting to the skype english list. To  access scripts for the
    latest version of skype go to 
    http://www.dlee.org/skype
    To access tutorials and other goodies go to
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    thanks and have a wonderful day.


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    Thanks for posting to the skype english list. To  access scripts for the
  latest version of skype go to 
    http://www.dlee.org/skype
    To access tutorials and other goodies go to
    http://www.marrie.org/skype/skype.html
    thanks and have a wonderful day.


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  http://www.ssbbartgroup.com
    "The most exhausting thing in life is being insincere."
            - Anne Morrow Lindbergh {American Author}

    Thanks for posting to the skype english list. To  access scripts for the
  latest version of skype go to 
    http://www.dlee.org/skype
    To access tutorials and other goodies go to
    http://www.marrie.org/skype/skype.html
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  Thanks for posting to the skype english list. To  access scripts for the
  latest version of skype go to 
  http://www.dlee.org/skype
  To access tutorials and other goodies go to
  http://www.marrie.org/skype/skype.html
  thanks and have a wonderful day.


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  Thanks for posting to the skype english list. To  access scripts for the
latest version of skype go to 
  http://www.dlee.org/skype
  To access tutorials and other goodies go to
  http://www.marrie.org/skype/skype.html
  thanks and have a wonderful day.


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