Then if you are not interested delete the bloody messages. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:skypeenglish-bounces at emissives.com] On Behalf Of Chris Gilland Desktop Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 8:37 PM To: a list for discussing skype and its use with screen accesssoftware. Subject: Re: [Skypeenglish] a note to window eyes 7.0 beta one users.using skype.
How possible would it be for someone to create a list for the development of skype scripts to discuss a p i's and g o d's, and h A r d s's, etc. I'm sorry, but this is exhaustingly going way over my head and I'm sure quite a lot of others on this list who just wanna discuss Skype in general from a non programming perspective. Not trying to be, or play mod, I'm only seeing an observation here. I know this is important stuff, but it just seems like, at least in the past, this list was more for discussing aspects of navigation and what not with jaws or whatever and skype. Lately it seems like this list has turned in to an sdk developer's zone. Again, sorry to say this, but, guys, my head hurts. Chris. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Lee" <[email protected]> To: "a list for discussing skype and its use with screen access software." <skypeenglish at emissives.com> Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 11:21 PM Subject: Re: [Skypeenglish] a note to window eyes 7.0 beta one users.using skype. >I agree that the Skype API would be nice, but surprisingly, I found > more ways to kill JAWS by trying to use the API than by any other > means. It's true that you can mess up JAWS by making a mistake while > installing SkypeWatch, but even if we use the Skype API, that will > still be true, because you would still have to install SkypeWatch. > With the Skype API, I could sometimes freeze JAWS by having it request > API access because it would stall waiting for the user to answer the > pop-up permission dialog, which of course is hard to answer without > speech. Hopefully this problem is gone by now; I think it is anyway. > I already mentioned the final JAWS lockup issue--the one that happens > when the computer goes to the Security screen when JAWS has a Skype > API object active. I keep thinking there was a third case, but I > don't remember it now, so maybe I'm wrong. > > It's cool that Window-Eyes can use the Skype API though. It should > simplify keeping up with Skype changes for at least some tasks. > > On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 08:13:46PM -0700, jim grimsby Jr. wrote: > Hi for perspective it is about the same amount of work to get skype watch > working in jaws. One advantage is while you are trying to get the access > to > the skype api you cannot make an error that will render your screen reader > useless. Please note this is not a slur on Doug. I love the skype > scripts > for jaws don't get me wrong but there are advantages to this method window > eyes is using. And quite frankly the way jaws handles global scripts > sucks. > > -----Original Message----- > From: skypeenglish-bounces at emissives.com > [mailto:skypeenglish-bounces at emissives.com] On Behalf Of David Allen > Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 2:21 PM > To: a list for discussing skype and its use with screen accesssoftware. > Subject: Re: [Skypeenglish] a note to window eyes 7.0 beta one users. > using > skype. > > Hi Doug and list! > > I'm glad you did it the way you did it. It may be great to get into the > Skype API as other programmes like Call burner and the Actiontek phone > wizard do. In my experience, the permission dialogue doesn't speak as > reliably as it should when it pops up, so knowing I don't have to look for > that or work through it seems like a good thing to me. > > Cheers, > Dave > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Doug Lee > To: a list for discussing skype and its use with screen access software. > Sent: Friday, June 27, 2008 1:22 AM > Subject: Re: [Skypeenglish] a note to window eyes 7.0 beta one users. > using skype. > > > Oops, sorry if I seemed confrontational somehow there. I was just > explaining to anyone who did not know, or remember, why I didn't do > this in JAWS. It's a natural thing to wonder. > > On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 04:33:53AM -0700, jim grimsby Jr. wrote: > Hi Doug we spoke on this subject some time ago. > I understand why you did things the way you did and have no disagreement > with it at all trust me. You are four times or maybe five times the > scripter I am and so I would not even dear to disagree with you even if I > did witch I do not. Window eyes does not have this problem. However and > it > is using vb script to access the information. Also I have no idea if a > sounder could be included however I do know the Miranda skype plug in > knows > when someone is typing and when they have stopped doing so. > Also another note is this. if ensted of seeing wecom in the manage > program > access to skype you see wineyes.exe this is ok just tell it to allow > access > to skype. > Hth > > -----Original Message----- > From: skypeenglish-bounces at emissives.com > [mailto:skypeenglish-bounces at emissives.com] On Behalf Of Doug Lee > Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 9:29 PM > To: a list for discussing skype and its use with screen access software. > Subject: Re: [Skypeenglish] a note to window eyes 7.0 beta one users. > using > skype. > > I don't think the Skype API provides the info necessary to implement a > typing sounder. The Skype API is consistent across Skype versions, > but it does not provide everything. It should be possible to script > for previous message review though. > > Btw, I did not use the Skype API in the JAWS scripts because of a > rather interesting problem: If you lock your computer with Windows+L > or Alt+Ctrl+Delete, or if it locks by itself due to a screen saver, > and you're running JAWS scripts that use the Skype API via the > Skype4COM wrapper, JAWS will not realize that the screen has changed > and will continue to tell you that you are in whatever application you > were in before the lock. If that application happened to be Internet > Explorer, JAWS will continually try to get hold of the IE Document > Object Model every time you press a key and will treat your key > presses as JAWS Quick Keys, as it normally would in IE. > Unfortunately, the attempts to get the IE DOM object cause major > delays, and the upshot of all this is that JAWS will become terribly > unresponsive, like waiting some ten seconds to announce each key > press. You would thus have a very difficult time figuring out that > your computer is locked, you need to type a password, Quick Keys are > enabled, and you have to type JAWSKey+Z, then your password, then > Enter, to get your computer back. Needless to say, I don't consider > this an acceptable scenario to foist upon the unsuspecting user of > Skype scripts. <grin> > > On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 09:05:31PM -0700, jim grimsby Jr. wrote: > Hello, > As everyone now knows the window eyes beta 1 for 7.0 was released > yesterday. > There is now scripting support for that beta. There is now a skype > script > that uses the skype API to get access to the information from skype. > This has a number of advantages. The API calls will not change very much > from version to version. So no matter what happens with the user > interface > the window eyes scripts will not have to be reworked every time skype > changes something. More information can be provided that is not provided > threw the tray alerts. For example window-eyes will tell you when a user > has signed out what the on line status is etc. > The only problem is that you have to do two things to get this to work. > First you must install the skype extras manager. This is the default > when > installing skype. If you don't have this installed you will get a nasty > little error message from window-eyes about a vb script run time error. > If > this happens run the skype setup again. Click the options button and > then > tab over to install extras manager. Check this box and go ahead with the > install like you normally would. Now if you should go in to the advanced > section of option never ever ever disable the check box that reads > automatically start extras manager. > Now when skype starts it should ask if you want to allow wecom to > access > skype. Select always and press enter. > If this does not happen you will not get an error from window-eyes any > more > but it will not be able to access the skype API. > So now we will need to tell skype to do this. > To do this open the skype main window. Press alt t for toos and arrow up > to > options. > Press enter here. > Now arrow down in the tree tell you find advanced. Ok now tab over to > manage programs access to skype. Press space bar. > Now you will be in the list of programs that have requested skype access. > Now there is a problem with tracking this list gw micro is already aware > of > this problem and they assure me they are looking in to it. So now what > you need to do is press ensert pluss. This will route the mouse to the > list > box. Now you need to press ensert page up tell you here wecom. Press the > slash key to click on this option. > If a dialog comes up asking question about wecom like should it be run > hidden etc press escape. Now tab over to change and select the option in > the list that says allow this program to access skype. Click ok click ok > again and click save. > Now you will have all the support you need from the skype scripts. > Anything you want to see added to the scripts for skype send them to > suppot at gwmicro.com. > Hope this information is helpful. > p.s one thing I would love to see is message review. Meaning the ability > to > pres a key and see the ten most recent messages. > A typing sounder would also be nice indention to hearing the spoken > message. Note we will not luse this in beta four with window eyes > because > the api will still provide this information. > > > > Thanks for posting to the skype english list. To access scripts for the > latest version of skype go to > http://www.dlee.org/skype > To access tutorials and other goodies go to > http://www.marrie.org/skype/skype.html > thanks and have a wonderful day. > > > _______________________________________________ > Skypeenglish mailing list > Skypeenglish at emissives.com > http://emissives.com/mailman/listinfo/skypeenglish_emissives.com > > -- > Doug Lee dgl at dlee.org > SSB BART Group doug.lee at ssbbartgroup.com > http://www.ssbbartgroup.com > "All these years, the people said, 'He's acting like a kid.' > He did not know he could not fly, so he did." > --Guy Clark, "The Cape" (Dublin Blues) > > Thanks for posting to the skype english list. To access scripts for the > latest version of skype go to > http://www.dlee.org/skype > To access tutorials and other goodies go to > http://www.marrie.org/skype/skype.html > thanks and have a wonderful day. > > > _______________________________________________ > Skypeenglish mailing list > Skypeenglish at emissives.com > http://emissives.com/mailman/listinfo/skypeenglish_emissives.com > > > Thanks for posting to the skype english list. To access scripts for the > latest version of skype go to > http://www.dlee.org/skype > To access tutorials and other goodies go to > http://www.marrie.org/skype/skype.html > thanks and have a wonderful day. > > > _______________________________________________ > Skypeenglish mailing list > Skypeenglish at emissives.com > http://emissives.com/mailman/listinfo/skypeenglish_emissives.com > > -- > Doug Lee dgl at dlee.org > SSB BART Group doug.lee at ssbbartgroup.com > http://www.ssbbartgroup.com > "The most exhausting thing in life is being insincere." > - Anne Morrow Lindbergh {American Author} > > Thanks for posting to the skype english list. To access scripts for the > latest version of skype go to > http://www.dlee.org/skype > To access tutorials and other goodies go to > http://www.marrie.org/skype/skype.html > thanks and have a wonderful day. > > > _______________________________________________ > Skypeenglish mailing list > Skypeenglish at emissives.com > http://emissives.com/mailman/listinfo/skypeenglish_emissives.com > Thanks for posting to the skype english list. To access scripts for the > latest version of skype go to > http://www.dlee.org/skype > To access tutorials and other goodies go to > http://www.marrie.org/skype/skype.html > thanks and have a wonderful day. > > > _______________________________________________ > Skypeenglish mailing list > Skypeenglish at emissives.com > http://emissives.com/mailman/listinfo/skypeenglish_emissives.com > > > Thanks for posting to the skype english list. To access scripts for the > latest version of skype go to > http://www.dlee.org/skype > To access tutorials and other goodies go to > http://www.marrie.org/skype/skype.html > thanks and have a wonderful day. > > > _______________________________________________ > Skypeenglish mailing list > Skypeenglish at emissives.com > http://emissives.com/mailman/listinfo/skypeenglish_emissives.com > > -- > Doug Lee dgl at dlee.org > SSB BART Group doug.lee at ssbbartgroup.com > http://www.ssbbartgroup.com > "It is not the mountain in the distance which makes you want to stop > walking; but the grain of sand in your shoe." --Anon > > Thanks for posting to the skype english list. To access scripts for the > latest version of skype go to > http://www.dlee.org/skype > To access tutorials and other goodies go to > http://www.marrie.org/skype/skype.html > thanks and have a wonderful day. > > > _______________________________________________ > Skypeenglish mailing list > Skypeenglish at emissives.com > http://emissives.com/mailman/listinfo/skypeenglish_emissives.com Thanks for posting to the skype english list. To access scripts for the latest version of skype go to http://www.dlee.org/skype To access tutorials and other goodies go to http://www.marrie.org/skype/skype.html thanks and have a wonderful day. _______________________________________________ Skypeenglish mailing list Skypeenglish at emissives.com http://emissives.com/mailman/listinfo/skypeenglish_emissives.com
