Hi! I could say that I agree with you for the most part. As soon as we face some facts and stop beeing idealists, things could change in more than few positive ways. I won't be a philosopher here, but reading these posts made me think of something. I'm sure you all know about Miranda IM and Skype plugin for it. This plugin uses Skype API and you need to have Skype installed on the machine if you want to use it through Miranda IM. Let's say that Skype developers stop caring about accessibility and in the future we are not able to use Skype and there's no way to implement scripts for screen readers. I believe it would be easier to program some accessible shell from scratch which could connect to Skype API and make Skype functions accessible to us. Miranda is not so usable with Jaws, even there are some scripts and clistblind plugin, but some similar shell programmed for our needs will do the job I think. What do you think about it?
S postovanjem Gordan Radic ______________________ MSN: zarakijel at gmail.com http://zarakijel.4shared.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "alex wallis" <[email protected]> To: "screen access software with skype" <skypeenglish at emissives.com> Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 7:09 PM Subject: Re: [Skypeenglish] skypewatch install for the 4.0 scripts??? > Hi sorry I just feel I have to throw in my 2 cents worth hear, so please > excuse a fairly long rant. > Unfortunately lets face it, even if a company is supportive of > accessibility, that gets the chop if it gets in the way of making > something look nice. > but in the case of a lot of companies and developers very few care about > accessibility and when they do, its an extra just to shut a vocal minority > up, its not planned and built in from day one. unless the application is > specifically designed for us, in which case of course it isn't mainstream. > very few companies are helpful when it comes to this sort of thing. > take IM+ the messaging client for the mobile phone, accessibility got the > chop with the latest version, and shape services don't seem particularly > keen to restore it even though a lot of blind people have contacted them. > and in the case of some of there other applications like there mobiola > webcam application I made the mistake of installing the pc part on to my > laptop, but the software wasn't accessible, and niether was the > uninstaller. > and guess what surprise surprise i contacted there support department > about it, and they said my comments were past on and they would try to > give me a solution soon, but that was it. I only got it off my pc in the > end when for other reasons I had to reinstall. > but unfortunately in this world, lets face it as far as accessibility is > concerned, obtaining books in an accessible format and plenty of other > issues, we will almost certainly always be considered maybe > unintentionally by the vast majority as second class citizens. > I can't ever see the day when we can get any books we want in an > accessible format. > as very few publishers are willing to be helpful, and I have only found > one author when I approached him directly who went out of his way well > beyond what anyone could expect to be helpful with getting me electronic > books from his publishers, and even that was a big fight, and they > couldn't provide me the hole series he had written. > sorry big rant now over, but that's my oppinion on accessibility. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Grimsby Jr." <jimgrims at pacbell.net> > To: "'screen access software with skype'" <skypeenglish at emissives.com> > Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 5:44 PM > Subject: Re: [Skypeenglish] skypewatch install for the 4.0 scripts??? > > >>I don't know about that. I have been giving constructive feedback now >>ever >> scence beta one. Guess what it still sucks. Quite frankly there are >> regressions all over the place. >> The thing is we can expect to see the final version in two weeks or so. >> that is scary my friends. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: skypeenglish-bounces at emissives.com >> [mailto:skypeenglish-bounces at emissives.com] On Behalf Of Bruce Toews >> Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 8:24 AM >> To: screen access software with skype >> Subject: Re: [Skypeenglish] skypewatch install for the 4.0 scripts??? >> >> I have news for you. Constructive feedback will get you much further than >> whining ever will. >> >> Bruce >> >> -- >> Bruce Toews >> Proud JAWS User >> Skype ID: o.canada >> E-mail and MSN/Windows Messenger: bruce at ogts.net >> LiveJournal: http://masterofmusings.livejournal.com >> Web Site (including info on my weekly commentaries): http://www.ogts.net >> Info on the Best TV Show of All Time: http://www.cornergas.com >> >> On Sat, 17 Jan 2009, Jennifer Palmer wrote: >> >>> I know, with the beta 3s of skype i noticed they do not do a core change >> like >>> putting skype watch back in but if we dont wine nothin will be done. >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michele Barbi" >>> <mbarbi at fastwebnet.it> >>> To: "screen access software with skype" <skypeenglish at emissives.com> >>> Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 7:14 AM >>> Subject: Re: [Skypeenglish] skypewatch install for the 4.0 scripts??? >>> >>> >>>> Steph: >>>> "Although I still have 3.8.188 right now and I hear people signing in >> and >>>> everything else except for signing out I believe they shouldn't screw >>>> things up like that!" >>>> >>>> Barbuz: >>>> If you have the last scripts revision, the fact that you do not hear >>>> signing out contacts is normal. Before revision 442, in fact, the >>>> SkypeWatch feature scanned the whole contact list. Then the >>>> programmers >>>> noted that this implementation could be very invasive for JAWS and >> decided >>>> to change it, making SW read the Skype system tray notifications. But >>>> Skype itself does not provide a notification for signouts. I saw an >> option >>>> in Skype 4 which says "Show a windows tray alert when someone goes >>>> offline", but SkypeWatch does not work in Skype 4 at all right now. >>>> Bye! >>>> >>>> >>>> --- >>>> avast! Antivirus: In partenza messaggio pulito. >>>> Virus Database (VPS): 090116-1, 16/01/2009 >>>> Controllato il: 17/01/2009 14.14.52 >>>> avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2009 ALWIL Software. >>>> http://www.avast.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Thanks for posting to the skype english list. To access scripts for >>>> the >>>> latest version of skype go to >>>> http://www.dlee.org/skype >>>> To access tutorials and other goodies go to >>>> http://www.marrie.org/skype/skype.html >>>> thanks and have a wonderful day. >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Skypeenglish mailing list >>>> Skypeenglish at emissives.com >>>> http://emissives.com/mailman/listinfo/skypeenglish_emissives.com >>> >>> >>> Thanks for posting to the skype english list. To access scripts for the >>> latest version of skype go to >>> http://www.dlee.org/skype >>> To access tutorials and other goodies go to >>> http://www.marrie.org/skype/skype.html >>> thanks and have a wonderful day. >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Skypeenglish mailing list >>> Skypeenglish at emissives.com >>> http://emissives.com/mailman/listinfo/skypeenglish_emissives.com >>> >> >> Thanks for posting to the skype english list. To access scripts for the >> latest version of skype go to >> http://www.dlee.org/skype >> To access tutorials and other goodies go to >> http://www.marrie.org/skype/skype.html >> thanks and have a wonderful day. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Skypeenglish mailing list >> Skypeenglish at emissives.com >> http://emissives.com/mailman/listinfo/skypeenglish_emissives.com >> >> >> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >> signature >> database 3773 (20090117) __________ >> >> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >> >> http://www.eset.com >> >> >> >> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >> signature >> database 3773 (20090117) __________ >> >> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >> >> http://www.eset.com >> >> >> >> Thanks for posting to the skype english list. To access scripts for the >> latest version of skype go to >> http://www.dlee.org/skype >> To access tutorials and other goodies go to >> http://www.marrie.org/skype/skype.html >> thanks and have a wonderful day. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Skypeenglish mailing list >> Skypeenglish at emissives.com >> http://emissives.com/mailman/listinfo/skypeenglish_emissives.com > > > Thanks for posting to the skype english list. To access scripts for the > latest version of skype go to > http://www.dlee.org/skype > To access tutorials and other goodies go to > http://www.marrie.org/skype/skype.html > thanks and have a wonderful day. > > > _______________________________________________ > Skypeenglish mailing list > Skypeenglish at emissives.com > http://emissives.com/mailman/listinfo/skypeenglish_emissives.com
