Yes, Insert+Windows+F4 is an emergency JAWS shutdown, to be used if
JAWS freezes so bad that Insert+F4 doesn't work.

On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 07:24:55PM +0100, Gary Ellis wrote:
> Hi Doug
> Hope all events you are atending serving you well and many thanks for all 
> the work you've done with the scripts, I'm going to be daring this 
> weekend and go for skype 4 with the new revision scripts for Jaws as I 
> have a duel boot system where by I can boot to another copy of the 
> windows system should I experience problems with it and go to skype 3.  
> Please could you explain what the insert, windows and f4 key does with 
> Jaws as it seems like just closing it down as an emergency exit rather 
> than the normal jaws f 4 to quit am I right in asuming this?
> Thanks again and while I'm writing to you all, many thanks for the tips 
> on my request for backing up and restoring complete system as I have 
> found suitable aplication for recovery which works reasonably well with 
> Jaws.
> Gary.
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Lee" <dgl at dlee.org>
> To: "screen access software with skype" <skypeenglish at emissives.com>
> Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 2:40 PM
> Subject: Re: [Skypeenglish] Skypeenglish Digest, Vol 19, Issue 28
>
>
>> I don't know what could be causing your JAWS to freeze when you tab to
>> options using JAWS 10, regardless of Skype version.  I use JAWS 10
>> with Skype and the scripts all the time and never see this.
>>
>> I can help with avoiding computer restarts though:  If JAWS locks
>> up, try typing Insert+Windows+F4.  After a few seconds, you may
>> hear a low beep from your computer speaker.  Note, that's the
>> computer speaker, not the normal sound device, whatever that is on
>> your system.  After the beep, or after maybe ten seconds if you
>> never hear one, try loading JAWS as you normally would.  If that
>> succeeds, look through Alt+Tab order and close any "Application
>> File For JAWS" error windows that may exist.  If the tactic I
>> describe here does not get you a new running copy of JAWS, you'll
>> still need to restart.
>>
>> On Sun, Jul 05, 2009 at 09:53:32AM -0400, Jerry Hogan wrote:
>> I have Jaws10 with Skype 4.1 installed with the Skype beta 2 & 3 
>> scripe, my
>> problem is when Jaws 10 and Skype is on when I go into a edit field or  
>> Tool
>> and Option and let say to Private I tab one time and Jaws10 stop 
>> working and
>> the only to fix it I have to restart the computer.  I am using window 
>> XP Pro
>> can some one suggest to me what I have to do to fix this.  When I turn  
>> Jaws
>> 7.1 I do not have this problem.
>> Jerry
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
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>> Subject: Skypeenglish Digest, Vol 19, Issue 28
>>
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>> Today's Topics:
>>
>>   1. Re: Problems with skype 4.1.0.136 (Aiden Gardiner)
>>   2. Re: A corrrection (Sarah Alawami)
>>   3. Re: Skype 4.1 beta 3 scripts not saying personalstatus
>>      (Sarah Alawami)
>>   4. Re: default or compact views (Sarah Alawami)
>>   5. Re: New Skype and Scripts (Sarah Alawami)
>>
>>
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 1
>> Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2009 04:55:28 +0100
>> From: "Aiden Gardiner" <aiden.gardiner.ang at googlemail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Skypeenglish] Problems with skype 4.1.0.136
>> To: "screen access software with skype" <skypeenglish at emissives.com>
>> Message-ID: <031FB223798E4694BE84E2F699BA6D02 at aidenPC>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>> reply-type=original
>>
>> Sure have, but i'm having the same issue.
>>
>> Aiden
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Geovanni Bahena" <gbjl07 at gmail.com>
>> To: "'screen access software with skype'" <skypeenglish at emissives.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, July 05, 2009 1:36 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Skypeenglish] Problems with skype 4.1.0.136
>>
>>
>>> Have you tried reinstalling the scrips?
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: skypeenglish-bounces at emissives.com
>>> [mailto:skypeenglish-bounces at emissives.com] On Behalf Of Aiden Gardiner
>>> Sent: Saturday, July 04, 2009 3:18 PM
>>> To: screen access software with skype
>>> Subject: Re: [Skypeenglish] Problems with skype 4.1.0.136
>>>
>>> I'm using revision 41A, which seems to be the latest revision. I've
>>> performed the procedure to enable skypewatch, however there is no option
>>> for
>>>
>>> it in the jaws key +V dialogue box.
>>>
>>> Aiden
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michele Barbi" 
>>> <mbarbi at fastwebnet.it>
>>> To: "screen access software with skype" <skypeenglish at emissives.com>
>>> Sent: Saturday, July 04, 2009 5:50 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Skypeenglish] Problems with skype 4.1.0.136
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hey Aiden,
>>>> note that SkypeWatch only works with the last two beta versions of the
>>>> scripts which Doug just posted; with previous fevisions, it only could
>>>> announce incoming calls. Please verify which scripts revision are you
>>>> running, it must be 41b_beta2 or beta3.
>>>> Another thing, make sure there is an option called "SkypeWatch messages"
>>>> in the JAWSKey+v dialogue, and that it is set to on, not off.
>>>> Bye!
>>>> Barbuz
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for posting to the skype english list. To  access scripts for the
>>>> latest version of skype go to
>>>> http://www.dlee.org/skype
>>>> To access tutorials and other goodies go to
>>>> http://www.marrie.org/skype/skype.html
>>>> thanks and have a wonderful day.
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>
>>> Thanks for posting to the skype english list. To  access scripts for the
>>> latest version of skype go to
>>> http://www.dlee.org/skype
>>> To access tutorials and other goodies go to
>>> http://www.marrie.org/skype/skype.html
>>> thanks and have a wonderful day.
>>>
>>>
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>>>
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>>> latest version of skype go to
>>> http://www.dlee.org/skype
>>> To access tutorials and other goodies go to
>>> http://www.marrie.org/skype/skype.html
>>> thanks and have a wonderful day.
>>>
>>>
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>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 2
>> Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2009 00:57:21 -0700
>> From: "Sarah Alawami" <marrie12 at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Skypeenglish] A corrrection
>> To: "'screen access software with skype'" <skypeenglish at emissives.com>
>> Message-ID: <1A3EBC072FCB4631B2CAF8A40025836E at sacomputer>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>
>> Actually if you are using the latest version of the beta scripts   you can
>> use  alt shift f4 twice quickly.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: skypeenglish-bounces at emissives.com
>> [mailto:skypeenglish-bounces at emissives.com] On Behalf Of soner ?oban
>> Sent: Saturday, July 04, 2009 7:43 AM
>> To: screen access software with skype
>> Subject: [Skypeenglish] A corrrection
>>
>> the quit icon is hardly reached only through route jaws to pc, yet it was
>> diffrent before, it was able to be pressed with the pc cursor and arrows.
>> Thanks for posting to the skype english list. To  access scripts for the
>> latest version of skype go to http://www.dlee.org/skype To access  
>> tutorials
>> and other goodies go to http://www.marrie.org/skype/skype.html
>> thanks and have a wonderful day.
>>
>>
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>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 3
>> Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2009 00:57:21 -0700
>> From: "Sarah Alawami" <marrie12 at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Skypeenglish] Skype 4.1 beta 3 scripts not saying
>> personalstatus
>> To: "'screen access software with skype'" <skypeenglish at emissives.com>
>> Message-ID: <DB69A422AFD849EEB153D96D99AB8CF7 at sacomputer>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>
>> Doug is currently gone  so I'm kind of keeping an eye on problems for him.
>> I'll give him the message. He will be back soon.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: skypeenglish-bounces at emissives.com
>> [mailto:skypeenglish-bounces at emissives.com] On Behalf Of Michele Barbi
>> Sent: Saturday, July 04, 2009 2:19 PM
>> To: screen access software with skype
>> Subject: Re: [Skypeenglish] Skype 4.1 beta 3 scripts not saying
>> personalstatus
>>
>> Hi Mark,
>> I also noticed that with beta 2 and posted here. No reply from Doug about
>> this. We should wait the production scripts release, or I'll have to 
>> tel him
>> via chat.
>> Bye!
>> Barbuz
>>
>>
>> Thanks for posting to the skype english list. To  access scripts for the
>> latest version of skype go to http://www.dlee.org/skype To access  
>> tutorials
>> and other goodies go to http://www.marrie.org/skype/skype.html
>> thanks and have a wonderful day.
>>
>>
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>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 4
>> Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2009 01:00:31 -0700
>> From: "Sarah Alawami" <marrie12 at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Skypeenglish] default or compact views
>> To: "'screen access software with skype'" <skypeenglish at emissives.com>
>> Message-ID: <EEAE1C03C46941E3A9B93550EBFA7E33 at sacomputer>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>>
>> Yeah I found tht out and keep a note of it. Man this si not going to be an
>> easy  tutorials as I will have to do everything twice. Ah well. I'll think
>> of  something. Suggestions with a different subj line  is welcome. 
>> Oopsy tht
>> didn't make any sence. Lookslike my brain needs a reboot. Lol!
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> S
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: skypeenglish-bounces at emissives.com
>> [mailto:skypeenglish-bounces at emissives.com] On Behalf Of Jean Philippe
>> Sent: Saturday, July 04, 2009 1:56 AM
>> To: screen access software with skype
>> Subject: Re: [Skypeenglish] default or compact views
>>
>> Dear Sarah,
>> I think this is definitely something you should mention in your new
>> tutorial. Even though Skype three nostalgics will prefer compact view,
>> default view is quicker and takes less keystrokes to achieve the same
>> result. The only confusing thing about this view is that arrowing to a
>> contact doesn't select it and so you do have to press space bar on a  
>> contact
>> before reaching its chat box with control five.
>> Cheers,
>> JPR
>> http://myspace.com/jeanphilipperykiel
>>
>>  ----- Original Message -----
>>  From: Sarah Alawami
>>  To: 'screen access software with skype'
>>  Sent: Friday, July 03, 2009 9:23 PM
>>  Subject: Re: [Skypeenglish] default or compact views
>>
>>
>>  Should I learn this and if so, should I enclude this in the tutorials  
>> that
>> will be coming out in the next few months?
>>
>>
>>  -----Original Message-----
>>  From: skypeenglish-bounces at emissives.com
>> [mailto:skypeenglish-bounces at emissives.com] On Behalf Of Jean Philippe
>>  Sent: Friday, July 03, 2009 1:23 AM
>>  To: screen access software with skype
>>  Subject: Re: [Skypeenglish] default or compact views
>>
>>  Hi there,
>>  I'm experimenting the default view and I'm beginning to like it, because
>> you never need to worry about closing a chat window. If you want to go to
>> one of your contact's  chat, simply select the contact in question and  
>> press
>> control 4 or control five. If you want to leave this chat press control 
>> one,
>> and you are in your contact list again. I haven't found any drawback 
>> yet but
>> I'm still testing.
>>  If you want to try, go to the view menu and click on default view. If you
>> want to go back to the old way, go to the view menu and click on compact
>> view.
>>  Cheers,
>>  JPR
>>  http://myspace.com/jeanphilipperykiel
>>
>>    ----- Original Message -----
>>    From: Jim Grimsby JR.
>>    To: 'screen access software with skype'
>>    Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 7:08 PM
>>    Subject: Re: [Skypeenglish] default or compact views
>>
>>
>>    The main one is that in compact view the chat will be in their own
>> window.  Also some of the contact profile information is not seen.  
>> There is
>> no history window etc.  I did not like it and did not use it long.
>>
>>    ?????????????????? Jim Grimsby Junior.
>>    Please feel free to contact me at anytime using one of the below
>> methods.
>>    Skype: Jim.Grimsby 909-498-4711.
>>    E-mail: JGrimsby at roadrunner.com
>>    Windows live messenger: Jim.Grimsby at ATT.net
>>
>>    -----Original Message-----
>>    From: skypeenglish-bounces at emissives.com
>> [mailto:skypeenglish-bounces at emissives.com] On Behalf Of Chris Hallsworth
>>    Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 8:33 AM
>>    To: screen access software with skype
>>    Subject: Re: [Skypeenglish] default or compact views
>>
>>    Sorry for my ignorance but what's the difference between compact and
>> default
>>    view?
>>
>>    --
>>    Chris Hallsworth
>>    e-mail: christopherh40 at googlemail.com
>>    MSN: ch9675 at hotmail.com
>>    Skype: chrishallsworth7266
>>    Join TAFN by visiting www.tafn.org.uk.
>>    ----- Original Message -----    From: "Jean Philippe" 
>> <jp.rykiel at orange.fr>
>>    To: "skype list" <Skypeenglish at emissives.com>
>>    Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 4:08 PM
>>    Subject: [Skypeenglish] default or compact views
>>
>>
>>    > Dear Doug and all,
>>    > with these new scripts and skype versions, is the compact view still
>> the
>>    > easiest one to use?
>>    > Cheers,
>>    > JPR
>>    > http://myspace.com/jeanphilipperykiel
>>    >
>>    >
>>    >
>>    > Thanks for posting to the skype english list. To  access scripts for
>> the
>>    > latest version of skype go to
>>    > http://www.dlee.org/skype
>>    > To access tutorials and other goodies go to
>>    > http://www.marrie.org/skype/skype.html
>>    > thanks and have a wonderful day.
>>    >
>>    >
>>    > _______________________________________________
>>    > Skypeenglish mailing list
>>    > Skypeenglish at emissives.com
>>    > http://emissives.com/mailman/listinfo/skypeenglish_emissives.com
>>
>>
>>    Thanks for posting to the skype english list. To  access scripts for 
>> the
>> latest version of skype go to
>>    http://www.dlee.org/skype
>>    To access tutorials and other goodies go to
>>    http://www.marrie.org/skype/skype.html
>>    thanks and have a wonderful day.
>>
>>
>>    _______________________________________________
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>>
>>
>>    Thanks for posting to the skype english list. To  access scripts for 
>> the
>> latest version of skype go to
>>    http://www.dlee.org/skype
>>    To access tutorials and other goodies go to
>>    http://www.marrie.org/skype/skype.html
>>    thanks and have a wonderful day.
>>
>>
>>    _______________________________________________
>>    Skypeenglish mailing list
>>    Skypeenglish at emissives.com
>>    http://emissives.com/mailman/listinfo/skypeenglish_emissives.com
>>  Thanks for posting to the skype english list. To  access scripts for the
>> latest version of skype go to
>>  http://www.dlee.org/skype
>>  To access tutorials and other goodies go to
>>  http://www.marrie.org/skype/skype.html
>>  thanks and have a wonderful day.
>>
>>
>>  _______________________________________________
>>  Skypeenglish mailing list
>>  Skypeenglish at emissives.com
>>  http://emissives.com/mailman/listinfo/skypeenglish_emissives.com
>>
>>
>>  Thanks for posting to the skype english list. To  access scripts for the
>> latest version of skype go to
>>  http://www.dlee.org/skype
>>  To access tutorials and other goodies go to
>>  http://www.marrie.org/skype/skype.html
>>  thanks and have a wonderful day.
>>
>>
>>  _______________________________________________
>>  Skypeenglish mailing list
>>  Skypeenglish at emissives.com
>>  http://emissives.com/mailman/listinfo/skypeenglish_emissives.com
>> Thanks for posting to the skype english list. To  access scripts for the
>> latest version of skype go to http://www.dlee.org/skype To access  
>> tutorials
>> and other goodies go to http://www.marrie.org/skype/skype.html
>> thanks and have a wonderful day.
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 5
>> Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2009 01:00:31 -0700
>> From: "Sarah Alawami" <marrie12 at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Skypeenglish] New Skype and Scripts
>> To: "'screen access software with skype'" <skypeenglish at emissives.com>
>> Message-ID: <10544A889DD54A41BCF1E5AB7345C0E3 at sacomputer>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>
>> Actually there is a beta set of scripts. See the archives as I don't 
>> have a
>> link handy.  The link there too is at the bottom of  the messagee in the
>> footer, I hope
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: skypeenglish-bounces at emissives.com
>> [mailto:skypeenglish-bounces at emissives.com] On Behalf Of Gilberto Peixoto
>> Sent: Saturday, July 04, 2009 5:25 AM
>> To: screen access software with skype
>> Subject: Re: [Skypeenglish] New Skype and Scripts
>>
>> Ok,
>> Thanks I will give it a try later.
>>
>> Gilberto
>>
>> Skype: ghost_rider
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Aiden Gardiner" <aiden.gardiner.ang at googlemail.com>
>> To: "screen access software with skype" <skypeenglish at emissives.com>
>> Sent: Saturday, July 04, 2009 1:17 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Skypeenglish] New Skype and Scripts
>>
>>
>>> Gilberto,
>>>
>>> The correct set of scripts are revision 41A.
>>>
>>> Aiden
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gilberto Peixoto" 
>>> <gilberto.peixoto at gmail.com>
>>> To: "screen access software with skype" <skypeenglish at emissives.com>
>>> Sent: Saturday, July 04, 2009 12:57 PM
>>> Subject: [Skypeenglish] New Skype and Scripts
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>> With so many messages regarding the new Skype version and the scripts I
>>>> confess I'm a litle bit lost because there are so many messages 
>>>> under the
>>
>>>> same subject but with a litle bit different content that sometimes 
>>>> I dont
>>
>>>> readd them all.
>>>> So I would like to ask what are the scripts that are working well with
>>>> this new Skype release because I would like to give it a try.
>>>> Thanks in advance.
>>>>
>>>> Gilberto
>>>>
>>>> Skype: ghost_rider
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for posting to the skype english list. To  access scripts for the
>>>> latest version of skype go to
>>>> http://www.dlee.org/skype
>>>> To access tutorials and other goodies go to
>>>> http://www.marrie.org/skype/skype.html
>>>> thanks and have a wonderful day.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks for posting to the skype english list. To  access scripts for the
>>> latest version of skype go to
>>> http://www.dlee.org/skype
>>> To access tutorials and other goodies go to
>>> http://www.marrie.org/skype/skype.html
>>> thanks and have a wonderful day.
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>
>>
>> Thanks for posting to the skype english list. To  access scripts for the
>> latest version of skype go to
>> http://www.dlee.org/skype
>> To access tutorials and other goodies go to
>> http://www.marrie.org/skype/skype.html
>> thanks and have a wonderful day.
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>
>> End of Skypeenglish Digest, Vol 19, Issue 28
>> ********************************************
>>
>>
>> Thanks for posting to the skype english list. To  access scripts for 
>> the latest version of skype go to
>> http://www.dlee.org/skype
>> To access tutorials and other goodies go to
>> http://www.marrie.org/skype/skype.html
>> thanks and have a wonderful day.
>>
>>
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>>
>> -- 
>> Doug Lee                 dgl at dlee.org                http://www.dlee.org
>> SSB BART Group           doug.lee at ssbbartgroup.com  
>> http://www.ssbbartgroup.com
>> "The most exciting phrase to hear in science, the one that heralds
>> new discoveries, is not 'Eureka!' ('I found it!') but rather 'hmm....
>> that's funny...'"  --   Isaac Asimov
>>
>> Thanks for posting to the skype english list. To  access scripts for 
>> the latest version of skype go to
>> http://www.dlee.org/skype
>> To access tutorials and other goodies go to
>> http://www.marrie.org/skype/skype.html
>> thanks and have a wonderful day.
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> Skypeenglish at emissives.com
>> http://emissives.com/mailman/listinfo/skypeenglish_emissives.com 
>
>
> Thanks for posting to the skype english list. To  access scripts for the 
> latest version of skype go to
> http://www.dlee.org/skype
> To access tutorials and other goodies go to
> http://www.marrie.org/skype/skype.html
> thanks and have a wonderful day.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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-- 
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SSB BART Group           doug.lee at ssbbartgroup.com   
http://www.ssbbartgroup.com
"The most exciting phrase to hear in science, the one that heralds
new discoveries, is not 'Eureka!' ('I found it!') but rather 'hmm....
that's funny...'"  --   Isaac Asimov

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