begin Peter Rundle quotation:

[Java:]

> Well I find it in a lot of web-based config tools, like Bay networks
> contivity, one of these management ports for our tape server, stuff
> like that. Calendar server uses java script, most sites with frames and
> a menu map have java script on them.

Yep, I might have to contend with that one soon, myself, when my Cisco
AIR-PCM-352 wireless ethernet card arrives.  Fortunately, my wife
Deirdre has taken care of the Apple Airport end of the configuration
puzzle, using -- you guessed it -- an obligatory Java applet.

> Re vim and html, sounds like someone I know... 

I didn't do it.  You can't prove it.  The sheep are lying.  ;->

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