On Tuesday 11 October 2005 08:22, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On 10 Oct, Jon Teh wrote:
> >  
> >  Waa waa waa.
>
> [Insert raised eyebrow]
[snip]

> Traditionally, Unix has been weak in valuing attention to usability, so
> perhaps that just means they're more traditional Unix people. :-):-)
>

Has anybody ever used winders troubleshooting help and got real help? I know 
that I have not, just jack-ass rubbish.
So the answer is that for complicated systems KISS as simple as you can and 
RFM which includes the Howtos. 
I'd rather have a hard time spelunking to find the answer to MY problem than 
an easy time finding answers to NotMyProblem.

Frankly what config options can you give to grub to upset it?
You list a file and its there :: it boots (or tries to - not grub issues)
You dont list or its not there and it does not boot. What else??

Grub DOES use the bios to access the disk. Easy check: bios without beyond1024
extentions, /boot above 1024 (whatever) and it WONT boot. EG RH9 install
warns you about this if disk>1024 is used.

so IMHO 'Traditionally, Unix has been weak in valuing attention to usability'
is rubbish, it does not waste your time trying to guess and resolve every 
problem totally ineffectivly giving you a false sense of wellbeing.

RealExample
I use rdesktop to Xp headless. I want to shut down the Winders Machine. Show 
me the 'help' that answers the simple question: "How to shutdown Windows"
(For those doing thought experiments: start->logout/shutdown gives options 
Logout, Disconnect, NOT Shutdown) me, 1 MS qualified eng, 2 
how-hard-linux-is-and-how-easy-winders-is spent an hour trying to find the 
answer, then found it by fiddling!!

James
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