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> > For things like mail server systems, web servers and so on, I would choose
> > the Debian/Ubuntu world without worry.
> 
> I've tried a few, settled on guidedog, guarddog.
> I still see no way of adding these to my firewall rules:
>     iptables -A INPUT -i tun+ -j ACCEPT
>     iptables -A FORWARD -i tun+ -j ACCEPT

So have you chosen the tool that fits your task?

> I want a desktop image saved in .icons. What did I NOT do to find out that
> ^L will let me see hidden dirs? (<grin> I asked SLUG) This is IMHO a trick
> rather than things that are different.

This will actually be exposed in GTK+ 2.10 - earlier, it was up for debate
as to whether or not it should be there at all. So I guess you could call
this a GTK+ "trick", but it's really a matter of software in flux. (The new
GTK+ file chooser should never have gone in so early - it basically went in
unfinished because we listened too much to the wailing and gnashing of teeth
from the noisy, vocal minority who felt the GNOME file chooser was the only
thing stopping Linux from succeeding on the desktop!)

> An eg of patchy. Specific now: latest dapper 6.06: 
> System -> Administration -> Services

Good example - the GUI tools are pretty lame. When you said "server", I was
under the impression you meant an actual server, not a desktop that happens
to run services.

> I'm sure that you are correct :-), I'm trying to be objective, so your
> comments are most usefull.

> I guess that having spent years using RedHat, the transition to SuSE was
> quick (1 week to say this is better) and easy.

> Its clear (and it's been since the release of Dapper) that I'm not finding
> this transition easy. Specially since I'm jumping in and trying to do
> fairly complex stuff right off (eg openvpn, with associated firewall
> setup)

Discovering more awesomeness deep in the bowels of Debian/Ubuntu is a never
ending pleasure. :-)

- Jeff

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