On Monday, November 14, 2011 06:14:27 PM Jamie Lennox wrote: > On 11/14/2011 04:30 PM, Glen Turner wrote: > > Andrew wrote: > >> What I find annoying about these conversations is that if you had gone > >> and bought an Apple with Mac OS X you would be perfectly reasonably > >> working through learning how to use a new Desktop and not complaining > >> about it at all. > >> > >> But here we are admonishing the GNOME hackers had the temerity to do > >> something new and different. > > > > It's not new and different, it's new and worse. > > > > As a little thought experiment, here's the mouseclicks to launch a word processor: > > - MacOS - 3 - "Applications | LibreOffice | TextDocument" > > - Windows 7 - 3 - "Win | LibreOffice | Writer" > > - GNOME3 - 4 - "Activities | Applications | Office | LibreOffice > > Writer"> > > The real shame of the GNOME3 interface is that you don't see any mention > > of LibreOffice until click 3. MacOS and Windows both manage that on > > click 1. > > > > Window management is just pathetic. You've got a few applications > > running and you want to flip back and forward between two of them (eg, > > to move content into a document you are writing). You need to know far > > too much keystroke magic rather than just click once on a menu bar. > > > > For the record, I use Fedora for real work, MacOS too. Fedora used to be > > more usable than MacOS, despite all of the Apple hype to the contrary. > > Now Fedora is much less efficient at doing the simple stuff, like > > launching applications or switching between them. A fair whack of that > > seems to be from GNOME getting some Apple envy, perhaps not realising > > that they were already better. The "lock" icon on configuration menus > > is a prime example of copying poor ideas from Apple. > > > > -Glen-- > > SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ > > Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html > > I've been mostly letting this go, however as a fan of Gnome 3 i think > you're wrong. > > Firstly the thing i've become most used to and love is the hot corner, i > don't think i ever click on activities any more just throw the mouse to > the top left for the overview. > > From their you do have to click Applications (and i personally think a > mouse over should be enough here), but 'All' is the default and 'Office' > is a category (group filter) you don't need to click it. That's fairly > standard XDG, using all is on par to looking through the whole Start > Menu for your application in windows or mac equivalent. > > So that at least brings it down to 3, 2 if you don't mind scrolling > though apps, and 1 if you have an application you use a lot and pin it > to the toolbar. > > However what is better still is Super, 'wr' and at least on my machine > Libre Office Writer is the selection (super + 'w' actually has writer > first but with wr writer is the only option). 3 key strokes beats even 1 > click most of the time for my workflow. Now its still a long way off the > usefulness of Gnome-Do in this regard but they've just hit their first > stable release and i'd say for that its at least as good as KDE4.0, > Gnome2.0, Win 3.1/95/Vista (Being where MS made UI overhauls). >
Funny, because all that is in KDE4 and some of that was in KDE3. Hot corner: You can setup edges where you put your mouse and some action is triggered. Applications: the new menu for applications is just like in Gnome3. Toolbar: you can always put your apps in the panel for quick availability. Super: Just use Alt+F2 (or any other shortcut) for the KRunner, where you can enter "wri" and it shows you KWrite and LibreOffice Writer. So why the ppl. always don't offer KDE4 as an alternative for Gnome3? Instead it is LXDE or XFCE, really? Those are very light width DE or WM and don't offer half of what Gnome or KDE are offering. -- Erwin Mueller http://www.anr-institute.com/emblog - My site http://www.anr-institute.com/ - Advanced Natural Research Institute GmbH -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
