On 11/14/2011 04:30 PM, Glen Turner wrote:
Andrew wrote:
What I find annoying about these conversations is that if you had gone
and bought an Apple with Mac OS X you would be perfectly reasonably
working through learning how to use a new Desktop and not complaining
about it at all.
But here we are admonishing the GNOME hackers had the temerity to do
something new and different.
It's not new and different, it's new and worse.
As a little thought experiment, here's the mouseclicks to launch a word
processor:
- MacOS - 3 - "Applications | LibreOffice | TextDocument"
- Windows 7 - 3 - "Win | LibreOffice | Writer"
- GNOME3 - 4 - "Activities | Applications | Office | LibreOffice Writer"
The real shame of the GNOME3 interface is that you don't see any mention of
LibreOffice until click 3. MacOS and Windows both manage that on click 1.
Window management is just pathetic. You've got a few applications running and
you want to flip back and forward between two of them (eg, to move content into
a document you are writing). You need to know far too much keystroke magic
rather than just click once on a menu bar.
For the record, I use Fedora for real work, MacOS too. Fedora used to be more usable than
MacOS, despite all of the Apple hype to the contrary. Now Fedora is much less efficient
at doing the simple stuff, like launching applications or switching between them. A fair
whack of that seems to be from GNOME getting some Apple envy, perhaps not realising that
they were already better. The "lock" icon on configuration menus is a prime
example of copying poor ideas from Apple.
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I've been mostly letting this go, however as a fan of Gnome 3 i think
you're wrong.
Firstly the thing i've become most used to and love is the hot corner, i
don't think i ever click on activities any more just throw the mouse to
the top left for the overview.
From their you do have to click Applications (and i personally think a
mouse over should be enough here), but 'All' is the default and 'Office'
is a category (group filter) you don't need to click it. That's fairly
standard XDG, using all is on par to looking through the whole Start
Menu for your application in windows or mac equivalent.
So that at least brings it down to 3, 2 if you don't mind scrolling
though apps, and 1 if you have an application you use a lot and pin it
to the toolbar.
However what is better still is Super, 'wr' and at least on my machine
Libre Office Writer is the selection (super + 'w' actually has writer
first but with wr writer is the only option). 3 key strokes beats even 1
click most of the time for my workflow. Now its still a long way off the
usefulness of Gnome-Do in this regard but they've just hit their first
stable release and i'd say for that its at least as good as KDE4.0,
Gnome2.0, Win 3.1/95/Vista (Being where MS made UI overhauls).
They're not aiming for server/vnc connections and they're not aiming for
machines without 3d graphics cards, however for desktop usage on a
machine within the last 5 years i'm glad that someone is having a go at
modernizing the desktop.
Jamie
PS, yes there are some things i think they got wrong and task switching
can bug me too, there is a shell extension packaged for most systems
though that reverts the ALT+TAB behaviour to the old way.
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