On Thu, 2008-04-03 at 11:16 +0800, Peter Lee wrote: > Hi Roy, > > The real fact is a lot are used to MS, and they are "worried" to change. I > agree with you about the lack of publicity. But what do you suggest? > > I believe the enterprise linux providers in Singapore should do some case > studies "advertorials" too. Its a joke for that article, and i think its > going to mislead more people to think that Fedora/Linux is > a problem and not user friendly etc. > > Then again, I think we are going the right direction, as more are educated > with Open source technologies. Will be a time, the tide will change :).
for a start, i;ll be looking towards the enterprise linux providers. if MS can do an advertorial, can't the enterprise linux providers do the same? i guess we all must realize that these things DO matter. we cannot simply wave off every effort by MS and take it as if it doesn't matter. in fact, all MS actions point to a very significant marketing effort to "educate" the masses and put MS products in the faces of all users. else, why would EVERY tele-support staff that i have spoken to all presume that my laptop has got a "START" button on the left hand corner. its easy to wave off the MS effort and saying that they are overdoing it ... but the truth is ... where is the other alternative effort? i don't see it! these enterprise linux providers have the muscle to pull off something similar - they just need to be convinced that these are worthwhile. probably for them, they are still seeing double digit quarter-on-quarter grows and until they see the need, they won't take significant action. perhaps one could look at it in an alternative view on our part - as a community, we can only continue to reach out and hopefully in the coming months, we can re-establish ourselves with something more significant and going ahead to promote the use of alternatives. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Roy Ong" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Hendra" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: "Singapore Linux Users' Group Mailing List" <[email protected]> > Sent: 2008?4?3? 10:05 AM > Subject: Re: [Slugnet] Open-source talent: Dearth or plenty? > > > > > > On Thu, 2008-04-03 at 00:32 +0800, Hendra wrote: > >> --- Roy Ong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > > >> > this is a bad article. i remember reading a para citing the reason for > >> > shifting away from Fedora is because the community is "no longer" > >> > supporting it. really ... i think the editorial needs to get the facts > >> > right ... either educate the interviewee or provide a clarification. > >> > this highlights the lack of depth in editorial as well as the > >> > interviewee. bad on both counts. > >> > > >> > fedora is an on-going project and the reason is simply because they > >> > refuse to update/upgrade their existing fedora distribution. and in the > >> > first place ... choosing fedora as a production distribution for a > >> > server? hugh? please ... personally, i'm hoping to see a formal > >> > rebuttal, perhaps something from the local fedora ambassadors? > >> > > >> > good, knowledgeable engineers don't come cheap. i guess this is a case > >> > of you pay peanuts, you get monk*ys ... and you know what kind of > >> > advice > >> > they give. sigh. > >> > >> if really linux sysadmin, different linux distro won't make any > >> different, just > >> open eyes on first day... > >> even for exploring *BSD & Sol... > >> > >> Redhat, Novell and Sun are there, wondering why M$ replaced Mandrake? > >> Same "M" > >> ? :) > > > > well, i guess then its not really a linux sysadmin then. in any case, i > > think this will not be the last we hear of businesses switching from > > some form of linux, foss, opensource to M$. > > > > we must all realize that for many SME business-owners, technology is > > just not their game. they use technology to support their business > > activities but that doesn't mean that they will have the ability to > > understand, comprehend and make informed choices. many a times, things > > are left to the "best person" to make the choices - and in some cases, > > the "best person" is a relative junior "system administrator" whose idea > > of a command line is still running .bat files - doing "dir/w" and > > "ipconfig" > > > > take a step back and look at where we are at today. for many of us on > > this mailing list, we can probably tell that the article doesn't do > > justice to fedora, linux and in a certain extent FOSS. but what's going > > to happen thereafter? well, my personal guess is that these articles > > about businesses switching to M$ products will still continue to make > > the news, highlighting key features of the newer set of M$ products > > while making a mockery of what alternatives they have been using > > earlier. yes, you can be sure that's going happen - we all know it - > > this isn't the first time that an article like this has made the > > news ... but the true question is ... what are "we" going to do about > > it? > > > > "we" ??? yes - whose the "we" that i am referring to? well, anyone and > > everyone involved in this linux, foss, opensource revolution - fedora > > users, ubuntu users, linux users, community leaders, community members, > > commercial business owners, developers etc. EVERYONE ... you know what > > the problem is? the problem is ... with linux, foss, opensource ... > > there is just TOO MUCH choice and TOO LITTLE education. listen to the > > business owner and he'll likely to tell you ... > > > > "fedora, rhel, suse, debian, ubuntu ... whoa - so many choose from - > > which one and how to choose hugh?" > > > > and whose their beside them to make a choice? their own trusted system > > administrator, who in the first place ain't too sure himself :P > > > > i know ... some of you are going to say that we are already introducing > > linux, foss and opensource into the schools and institutes of higher > > learning so perhaps things are not so bad. yes, that's a great step in > > the right direction but that's only a beginning. there is a need to > > follow-up and continue to make sure that these individuals are kept > > abreast of the what's happening in the ever-changing linux, foss and > > opensource environment. > > > > on a daily basis, locally, we are stuffed with advertisements, articles, > > sales material that all carry that all too familiar term "Windows > > XXX" ... why can't we see "Linux" "Opensource" "FOSS" for a change? > > can't "we" get media coverage as well? can't "we" point the editorial to > > successful case studies of someone migrating away from M$ and to a > > linux, foss and opensource alternative? is the local linux, foss and > > opensource environment too small a market to be deserve some attention? > > singapore is a place for many firsts and leads in many areas - sadly, > > linux, foss and opensource doesn't seem to make the list > > > > ... to put it bluntly, if you think that the article deserves an > > "advertisement" tag right at the top ... then i would like some day to > > see an "advertisement" for linux, foss and opensource ... > > > > > > roy ong. > > - business-owner whose business functions runs on centos/rhel > > - end-user whose desktop/laptop runs on fedora > > :P > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Slugnet mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://www.lugs.org.sg/mailman/listinfo/slugnet > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Slugnet mailing list > [email protected] > http://www.lugs.org.sg/mailman/listinfo/slugnet _______________________________________________ Slugnet mailing list [email protected] http://www.lugs.org.sg/mailman/listinfo/slugnet
