Seeni can we get some sort of logging or alert when theres an ip conflict on the sb's? I mean I use 192.168.0.0/24 but I will change if that's part of my problem but I want to reassure that this may be happening somewhere before I go changing 100 radios.
Chris
-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Damron [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 1:34 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
The new Airbridges are not transparent.
Scott
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of shoffman
Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 10:31 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: RE: [smartBridges] Weird Characters in ESSID and
Lossofassociation
Alex,
IP conflicts? Really?
Ok exploring that concept. We hard code SB device IP's to
192.168.101.0/24 addresses, and the AP's (Cisco) are on the same subnet
(192.168.101.0/24. All transparent. User's systems are using DHCP to a
public IP 68.88.28.0/23.
Where is there an IP conflict?
Scott
-----Original Message-----
From: "sB Tech Support" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 00:01:27 +0800
Subject: RE: RE: [smartBridges] Weird Characters in ESSID and Loss
ofassociation
> I believe it is true but what cause it to happen is a mystery. What I
> can think of possibility is IP conflict between 2 devices and corrupt
> the other one.
>
> It is fine to turn off airBridge together when the PC is turned off.
> But it is all user preference. It doesn't matter anything.
>
> Alex
> sB Tech Support
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Sam
> Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 3:00 AM
> To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
> Subject: RE: RE: [smartBridges] Weird Characters in ESSID and Loss
> ofassociation
>
>
> Alex,
>
> I know it may seem hard to believe, but this is exactly what is
> happening to my customers. And in three of the four cases I guarantee
> you the customer is not changing the ESSID from logan-wt to the
> gibberish that I
>
> find when I arrive on site. And the fourth person, while I wouldn't
> bet my life on it, I'd bet a considerable amount of money he's not
> changing it either. (When I dropped into a DOS prompt he thought his
> monitor was going
> out since part of the screen turned black). So I am closer to 100%
than
> 99% certain that he's not changing it.
>
>
> One is using Windows 95 (I know...supposedly not supported but it does
> work. I have three customers using it, and the other two are fine, but
> going off a different AP. The simplemonitor software won't run on it,
> but the airbridge works with it.) So I know she's not changing the
> ESSID. I set it for her using my laptop. The firmware is 1.50.
>
> One is using Millenium. She doesn't have the SB software on her PC. So
> I
>
> know she isn't changing the ESSID. Again, I set this with my laptop,
> firmware 1.50.
>
> One is using Windows 98 SE. He has the software but doesn't have a
> clue how to open it or log into the AB. He also hae 1.50 firmware.
>
> And the last guy is using a Linksys router on a Macintosh network. He
> obvisouly doesn't have the software on there either. So he's not
> changing
> the ESSID. I had 1.50 firmware on him, but have backreved him to 1.43.
> We're monitoring that to see if that fixes it. (This guy is using and
> ABO.
> The other three are using airbridge indoor units.
>
> All four of these people are on the same access point. None of the
> people on my other access point have ever had this happen. All of
> these people have great LQ and RSSI. (People with far less LQ and RSSI
> are not seeing
>
> this.)
>
> If I have to roll back to any of these sites again I'll take the 1.43
> firmware with me and backrev it to see if that's what's causing it. I
> doubt that it is however as their are customers on my other AP that
are
> using 1.50 and not seeing this. I'm thinking it's got to be something
> inside the indoor airbridges that cause this.
>
> If the customers were to power off their airbridges each night, that
> shouldn't hurt anything, should it? Should I tell them to leave them
on
> all the time? (Many of them might, but they aren't going to leave
their
> PCs on. And i wouldn't think they'd need to leave the airbridges on
> either, but I thought I'd ask.
>
> Thanks
> Sam
>
>
>
> On Wed, 25 Jun 2003, sB Tech Support wrote:
>
> > We do not see the logic or any possibility that the ESSID could be
> > changed by itself without anybody changing its conifg, either
> possible
>
> > of hacking or the security being compromised. But still we will do a
> > research on this.
> >
> > About the inactivity for 5 minutes, after the client devices
> > associated with an access point, it monitors the signal strength and
> > the traffic in order to keeps the link going. When there is no
> traffic
>
> > passed between the client devices and the access point for more than
> 5
>
> > minutes, the client device becomes idle but REMAIN associated. Once
> > the traffic is kicked in, it will "wake up" again and start talking
> to
>
> > the access point.
> >
> > During this re-initiation process with the access point if the RSSI
> > and Link Quality is not sufficient enough to establish the link it
> > will disassociate with the access point and search for a better
> > signal, but eventually will associate to the access point.
> >
> > Alex
> > sB Tech Support
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of shoffman
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 12:29 AM
> > To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
> > Subject: RE: RE: [smartBridges] Weird Characters in ESSID and
> > Lossofassociation
> >
> >
> > Alex,
> >
> > This is what we were told before. We monitored the association from
> > the
> >
> > Cisco AP. As I stated, we did see it dis-associate, and y'all
> > (SmartBridge tech Support) confirmed that inactivity for a period of
> 5
>
> > minutes will cause the unit to disassociate.
> >
> > The ESSIS was always hard-coded, and the BSSID was set both to
> 0000000
> > (however many) and with Hard code of the BSSID for the AP. Issue
> > persisted in either case. So we implemented the pings, and that
> cleared
> >
> > up the problem. We are now doing SNMP monitoring of the untis and
> > have
> > sinced turned off the pings (the SNMP gets are keeping the
connection
> > alive...)
> >
> > Scott
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: "Alex Wong" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 19:36:26 +0800
> > Subject: RE: RE: [smartBridges] Weird Characters in ESSID and Loss
> > ofassociation
> >
> > > Scott,
> > >
> > > When client computer turned on, how do you tell the association is
> > > not
> >
> > > there? If the TXRX LED is solid, it is indicating associated. Can
> > > check them out of happen again? Also, do you hardcode the ESSID,
> > > or set as ANY? If it is any, the airBridge can associate to any
> > > AP.
> When
> > > the problem happen, does anybody does the restore to default
> causing
>
> > > the ESSID to ANY (unless you have used simpleDeploy for default
> > > config).
> > >
> > > If the problem persists, please let us know and I would like you
> > > to send
> > > to us directly for analysis.
> > >
> > > Alex
> > > sB Tech Support
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of shoffman
> > > Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 12:49 AM
> > > To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
> > > Subject: Fwd: RE: [smartBridges] Weird Characters in ESSID and
> > > Loss ofassociation
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Alex,
> > >
> > > Agreed on power supply, especially in light of the Onion report.
> We
> > > have 50 installed from that batch you guys are dealing with. We
> > > haven't had any "total" dead, but one may have a heat problem.
> > > (replacing it today... stays good for about 60 minutes, then
> looses
>
> > > association.
> > > Restart, nothing. Turn it down.. wait about 10 minutes..
> > > turn-up, bang,
> > > back on air.. for about 1 hour or so... (some times shorter).
> We
> > > will
> > > do some in house checking before we attempt an RMA...)
> > >
> > > But back to the original, We have done our best (except putting a
> > > UPS
> > > or
> > >
> > > larger power supply on the power shot)to clean up the power, but
> > > given
> >
> > > it
> > > is a rural install, power may not be totally clean. But what
> leads
> > us
> > > to our theory is that this only happened when the client computer
> was
> > > turned off at night (or during the day). The AB was never
pwoered
> > > off,
> > >
> > > but when clients computer turned on.. Association was not there.
> We
> > > go out and reset the jibberish in the ESSID, and walla, back up
> > > and happy.
> > >
> > > Again, another point leading us to believe our theory is that
> > > since we started the pining (3 weeks ago) we have never heard from
> > > client again
> >
> > > (i.e. its staying solid...) So... go figure.
> > >
> > > Scott
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: "Alex Wong" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 00:17:51 +0800
> > > Subject: RE: [smartBridges] Weird Characters in ESSID and Loss of
> > > association
> > >
> > > It could be the noisy power source or some spike that cause the
> > > memory
> >
> > > to corrupt. Check if there is proper grounding and clean power
> > > supply.
> > >
> > > Alex
> > > sB Tech Support
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Sam
> > > Sent: Monday, June 23, 2003 3:04 PM
> > > To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
> > > Subject: RE: [smartBridges] Weird Characters in ESSID and Loss of
> > > association
> > >
> > >
> > > No, this isn't what happened. There is no software on these
> > > computers
> > > for the person to be able to log into the airbridge with. I have
to
> > > take my laptop to them and login to the AB and reassociate it
> myself.
> > >
> > > Can anyone at SB shed light on this?
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > > Sam
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, 23
> > > Jun 2003, phantam wrote:
> > >
> > > > I HAVE seen this whenever I do a remote essid change and it
> fails,
> > > > maybe the text isn't being sent properly but in this case it
> messes
> > > up
> > >
> > > > quite often. Once it messed up and I could swear it was screwed
> up
> > > but
> > >
> > > > they reset it and it associated properly I don't know if it just
> > > > was
> >
> > > > sent properly but not associated or it's a messed up command
> > > > that the unit has to be rebooted after a essid change and it
> > > > doesn't
> do
>
> > > > it properly.
> > > >
> > > > What could this be seeni?
> > > >
> > > > Chris
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: George [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > > Sent: Monday, June 23, 2003 1:32 AM
> > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > >
> > > > One thing I don't do, is install any utility that allows them to
> > > > get
> >
> > > > involved in any way with the radio gear. The less they know the
> > > better
> > >
> > > > we all are. Of course we always retain ownership of the radio. I
> > > > even do that with the gateway router in most cases, even though
> they
> > > do
> > > > buy that from me.
> > > > In most cases all we have to do is tell them to reboot their pc,
> > > gateway
> > > > router, or radio when they stop working.
> > > > George
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Tom Andrews" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2003 9:28 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: [smartBridges] Weird Characters in ESSID and Loss
> > > > of association
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Have you seen an AP with the ESSID of ZUCimkXZ while doing any
> > > > > installs or war driving? Do these customers who had issues
> > > > > have access to
> > > > simpleMonitor
> > > > > and if so are they the type who might have played with the
> radio
> > > > > in an attempt to "fix" the connection?
> > > > >
> > > > > I have one who thinks they know more about our system than we
> do
> > > and
> > >
> > > > > they are always causing me issues by screwing around with all
> > > > > their settings. They are not using anything from smartBridge,
> but
> > > > > another radio I no
> > > > longer
> > > > > use. I guess I don't charge enough to go clean up their messes
> > > > > when they
> > > > get
> > > > > good and drunk.
> > > > >
> > > > > Tom
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Sam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2003 23:28
> > > > > Subject: [smartBridges] Weird Characters in ESSID and Loss of
> > > association
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Tonight I went to two of my customer's homes to re-associate
> > > their
> > >
> > > > > > airbridges. When I got there the ESSID had changed from
> > > > > > logan-wt
> >
> > > > > > to something like ZUCimkXZ and the BSSID was all zeros.
> > > > > > Earlier
> > > > > > this
> > > > weekend
> > > > > > another customer with an airbridge outdoor had the same
> > > > > > thing happen.
> > > > His
> > > > > > ESSID changed from logan-wt to some jumble of letters.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Got any idea what is causing this to happen? There are about
> > > > > > 30
> > > > > > people
> > > > on
> > > > > > that AP (logan-wt). All three of these people are on the
> > > > > > logan-wt AP. As far as I know they are the only three that
> lost
> > > > > > association, but this is the third time in a month or so
> > > > > > that
> > > it's
> > >
> > > > > > happened. Are these defective Airbridges? Their RSSI is >
> > > > > > 50% and the Link quality is close to 80%.
> > > > They
> > > > > > are at most six miles from the AP, and one of them is only a
> > > > > > couple of miles away from the AP.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Should I get an rma for these or do you think there is
> > > > > > something
> >
> > > > > > else causing this? They are all using 1.50 of the firmware,
> > > though
> > >
> > > > > > I did have the man with the outdoor airbridge backrev to
> > > > > > 1.43 to
> >
> > > > > > see if that will help.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks
> > > > > > Sam Morris, Owner
> > > > > > Loganet Internet Service
> > > > > > Logan IA
> > > > > >
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