I've heard several people say that the Teletronics AMPs are dirty or "noisy". I'm waiting to hear back from another WISP in the area that has a Yellow Jacket so we can look at the difference in signal between the YDI amps we are using on the backhauls, and the Teletronics we are using for the Access Points. I also have to wait for the power company to get the tree down the road off the line and get power going again first so I can shut off the generator. (I need to get a muffler on that stupid thing...)
As far as usefulness though, we have several YDI amps laying around here because they did not meet up to their expectations for power output. They don't adjust up to the total output that they are rated, they just add 14-16db to what you put into it, and if that doesn't add up to 250mW on a 250mW AMP, you aren't going to get your 250mW. We were never able to get very good distance with the YDI AMPs and the only reason I can suspect is they weren't putting out enough power. They may very well be excellent "clean" AMPs. We just had bad luck with them. Since we are using different Access Points now, we may give them another try. Kevin Summers KISTech Internet Services Inc. www.kistech.com -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of phantam Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 8:56 AM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: [smartBridges] Max output of APPO I only have one thing to say, teletronics are DIRTY. There good output but they are dirty if your going to have more than one radio then please spend the extra cash and go with hyperlink or ydi. We are in process of putting 6 Smartbridges at one location don't ask its gonna be kewl :) We're going to post pictures of the site I think it will make smartbridge proud we are going to take pictures after we finish the indoor tracking and the power cables. We're going to either ruse standard hyperlink 250's or the high receive gain 100mw amps from hyperlink (23db receive gain) because we want to be able to communicate with the sb's using there 2.2db rubberduckies or atleast that's what we're hoping for 15db sectors and 20db sectors for the long shots should hopefully handle it we just have to decide on the amps the small 100mw with high receive are our optimal choice just enough transmit to kill the cable loss of 20' of lmr on each radio and enough receive gain to raise those lil radio's voices yes I know it will raise the noise also but then again oh well atleast there spectrums are clean. Chris -----Original Message----- From: Kevin Summers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 3:58 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I've always gotten ours from Electro-Comm (www.electro-comm.com) or direct from Teletronics. (www.teletronics.com) They run about $350-375 from Electro-comm. Probably a bit more from TT. Kevin Summers KISTech Internet Services Inc. www.kistech.com > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Sam > Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 12:42 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: [smartBridges] Max output of APPO > > > Kevin > > Where about do you get these, and about what do you have to pay for them? > > Thanks > Sam > > > On Wed, 30 Jul 2003, Kevin Summers wrote: > > > > > "IF YOU ARE IN FCC TERRITORY" When it's all said and done > > you want right at 36db coming out of your antenna. > > > > Our "standard" setup that we have found to work very well > > in our area is, > > > > - Teletronics 250mW SmartAMP + 24 db output > > - 2 foot LMR 240 with N Male connectors - 2.5 db > > - Maxrad 90 degree sector antenna + 14.5 db > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > Total EIRP + 36 db > > > > The Teletronics SmartAMP will take any input from 0db up to > > 20db and amplify it to 250mW, and will adjust the input level > > down so that it wont put out more than 250mW (24 db). The 2.5 db > > loss is approximated for the 2 feet of LMR 240 and the two connectors, > > and the antenna is rated at 14.5 db gain. > > > > Receive gain for the Teletronics AMP is rated at + 14 db. > > > > So the radio is putting out something between 11.5 db (14mW) and 17.5 db > > (which is actually 56mW) which is enough to give the AMP it needs to > > put out a 250mW signal. > > > > Around here with all the trees, disrupted freznel zone, and interference > > from MANY MANY sources, we couldn't operate at anything less than the > > full legal limit of 36db. AMPs were the only way to get there. > > > > Kevin Summers > > KISTech Internet Services Inc. > > www.kistech.com > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Sam > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 12:12 PM > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Subject: [smartBridges] Max output of APPO > > > > > > > > > So, if I were to buy an outdoor amp and hook up in the line > between the > > > radio and the antenna it would not necessarily be a bad thing? :) > > > > > > > > > On Wed, 30 Jul 2003, Kevin Summers wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Yes. Max output of the radio is 17.5db. > > > > > > > > Kevin Summers > > > > KISTech Internet Services Inc. > > > > www.kistech.com > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Sam > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 12:09 PM > > > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > Subject: RE: [smartBridges] aBO with pigtail waterproof connector > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Seeni, Alex, > > > > > > > > > > Do the APPO radios really only put out 60 mw? > > > > > > > > > > Sam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, 30 Jul 2003, Joe Email wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Stuart > > > > > > > > > > > > I totally agree and and have said this several times on > this forum > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) They need to metalize the radio(for shielding from > > > transient voltage) > > > > > > 2) They need to do away with the waterproof connector and the > > > > > piece of non > > > > > > shielded cat 5 hanging down from the radio > > > > > > 3) Increase the radio from 60 mw to 100mw > > > > > > > > > > > > My observations from testing the radios for several months > > > > > > > > > > > > Joe K > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of > Stuart Pierce > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 9:09 AM > > > > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > Subject: Re: [smartBridges] aBO with pigtail waterproof > connector > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Then they should make them like the Trango units IMHO. > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- > > > > > > From: "Kevin Proctor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 07:47:34 -0600 > > > > > > > > > > > > >Yes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Kevin > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Stuart Pierce wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>Sure wish you could use preterminated ethernet cables with > > > > > these. 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