Boy, I can't wait till my little IDE 64meg Drive comes with my Mikrotik
router!

Dennis

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kevin Summers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 8:36 PM
Subject: RE: [smartBridges] Offlist - Why use PPPoE


>
> We run a completely open network. There's no MAC lists, and no
> validation of the client other than their username and password.
>
> We do this for several reasons.
>
> - MAC authentication is a pain in the ass nightmare. Especially
>   when you have situations (which I've seen most of them do this)
>   where the AirBridge passes it's own MAC address until the client
>   turns on their PC, then it passes the NIC MAC address. This is
>   usually fine except for when the client wants to plug in their
>   laptop.
> - WEP encryption is easily crackable, and slows down the connection.
> - We wanted to have HotSpot capability, which meant an open network.
>
> At the office we use MikroTik router software to authenticate clients
> through three different methods.
>
> - HotSpot login
> - PPTP for single user situations. (mainly residential)
> - PPPoE for multi-user situations. (mainly SOHO and business)
>
> The only thing identifies them is Username and Password, and we do
> limit to just one login per account. So once they are on, nobody can
> hijack their connection.
>
> We chose PPPoE because it's the only login ability available with the
> inexpensive little Cable/DSL routers, and it works great. It's not that
> it's that secure or anything, but what is. Someone could just as easily
> hack a dialup, an e-mail account, a web site login. We aren't that
> paranoid, and our customers understand what their getting into.
>
> Kevin Summers
> KISTech Internet Services Inc.
> www.kistech.com
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of The Wirefree Network
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 5:47 PM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: [smartBridges] Offlist - Why use PPPoE
> >
> >
> > Kevin,
> > Forgive the stupid questions here.
> >
> > What added benefit does the PPPoE provide you?
> >
> > Does it truly provide another level of authentication that is not as
> > easily broken??
> >
> > Sully
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin Summers
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 5:44 PM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: RE: [smartBridges] PPPoE on Firmware version 0.01.07
> >
> >
> > Tested PPPoE with MikroTik RouterOS version 2.7.0
> >
> > Test # 1 - Linksys Cable/DSL Router
> >
> > - unsuccessful. I plugged the wrong wall wart into it
> >   and I think I fried it.
> >
> > Test # 2 - Efficient Networks Speedstream Cable/DSL Router
> >
> > - PPPoE Login worked fine
> > - Internet access didn't work that great because the router
> >   wouldn't accept the subnet mask I gave it for it's WAN
> >   interface of 255.255.255.255. It automatically assumed
> >   255.0.0.0 because it was a 65.x.x.x address.
> >   (now I know why these were only $12 at Fry's...)
> >
> > Test # 3 - SMC Barricade Cable/DSL Router
> >
> > - unsuccessful. This unit I think is also fried, but when
> >   a manufacturer wants you to use a paperclip and hold it
> >   on pins 4 and 9 for up to 30 seconds to reset the device,
> >   you are probably better off without it.
> >
> > Test # 4 - NEW Linksys Cable/DSL Router
> >
> > - PPPoE login was successful and I was able to get about 768K
> >   throughput on it. I'm checking into why it's so slow.
> >
> > Looks like the problem has been fixed, and PPPoE does indeed
> > work fine on the new firmware with MikroTik...
> >
> > Kevin Summers
> > KISTech Internet Services Inc.
> > www.kistech.com
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Ray
> > > Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 4:02 PM
> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Subject: Re: [smartBridges] PPPoE on Firmware version 0.01.07
> > >
> > >
> > > I'm sitting at my computer repeatedly hitting "Send/Receive"...
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Kevin Summers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 3:47 PM
> > > Subject: RE: [smartBridges] PPPoE on Firmware version 0.01.07
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > I'm just about to test it with MikroTik.
> > > >
> > > > Kevin Summers
> > > > KISTech Internet Services Inc.
> > > > www.kistech.com
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Ray
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 3:31 PM
> > > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > Subject: Re: [smartBridges] PPPoE on Firmware version 0.01.07
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Has anyone tested this with Mikrotik?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Lars Gaarden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 3:18 PM
> > > > > Subject: Re: [smartBridges] PPPoE on Firmware version 0.01.07
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Eric Helm wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > We unsuccessfully tested a NetScreen firewall PPPoE client.
> > This
> > > > > particular
> > > > > > > client has the same problem most other PPPoE clients had with
> > the
> > > old
> > > > > > > firmware.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Odd. I tested 0.01.07 today, and from what I can tell from
> > > the packet
> > > > > > dumps it should work perfectly for any RFC compliant PPPoE
> > > client and
> > > > > > server. (good work, sB!)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Any chance you could provide a packet dump of the
> > > connection attempt?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Are you by any chance using PPPoE relay? Some clients -
> > especially
> > > > > > el-cheapo broadband routers - won't work correctly with PPPoE
> > relay.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I don't work for sB but I have a vested interest in making sure
> > that
> > > > > > the PPPoE pass-through on the airBridge works perfectly.
> > > We're running
> > > > > > a pure PPPoE network too, and are planning to switch from
> > airPoint
> > > > > > indoors in clientbirdge mode to airBridge Outdoor for the CPEs.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > LarsG
> > > > > >
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