Layer 3 switches have the routing engine built into the ASIC, therefore
classified as "hardware" routing, but most all traditional routers including
Cisco absolutely perform their layer 3 operations in software.

-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Scott Damron
Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2003 12:22 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [smartBridges] Bandwidth Limiting Software

I think that all routers depend on software to do routing.  Cisco or
other....

Scott

-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Roger Howard
Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2003 9:09 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [smartBridges] Bandwidth Limiting Software


This is one FreeBSD server, pinging through a switch and through a
dummynet bandwidth throttling machine and out to my T1 router.

Dummynet is software that comes with FreeBSD. Mine is configured as a
bridge, but you can also configure them as routers.

As you can see, it does not add much latency. And this Dummynet server
is only a 200mhz Pentium. I can't really speak for the other options out
there.

Thanks,
Roger

$ ping 12.109.222.1
PING 12.109.222.1 (12.109.222.1): 56 data bytes
64 bytes from 12.109.222.1: icmp_seq=0 ttl=255 time=1.347 ms
64 bytes from 12.109.222.1: icmp_seq=1 ttl=255 time=1.310 ms
64 bytes from 12.109.222.1: icmp_seq=2 ttl=255 time=1.325 ms
64 bytes from 12.109.222.1: icmp_seq=3 ttl=255 time=1.355 ms
64 bytes from 12.109.222.1: icmp_seq=4 ttl=255 time=1.307 ms
64 bytes from 12.109.222.1: icmp_seq=5 ttl=255 time=1.380 ms
64 bytes from 12.109.222.1: icmp_seq=6 ttl=255 time=1.308 ms
64 bytes from 12.109.222.1: icmp_seq=7 ttl=255 time=1.337 ms
64 bytes from 12.109.222.1: icmp_seq=8 ttl=255 time=1.280 ms
64 bytes from 12.109.222.1: icmp_seq=9 ttl=255 time=1.335 ms
64 bytes from 12.109.222.1: icmp_seq=10 ttl=255 time=1.330 ms 64 bytes
from 12.109.222.1: icmp_seq=11 ttl=255 time=1.290 ms 64 bytes from
12.109.222.1: icmp_seq=12 ttl=255 time=1.321 ms 64 bytes from
12.109.222.1: icmp_seq=13 ttl=255 time=1.301 ms 64 bytes from
12.109.222.1: icmp_seq=14 ttl=255 time=1.321 ms 64 bytes from
12.109.222.1: icmp_seq=15 ttl=255 time=1.392 ms 64 bytes from
12.109.222.1: icmp_seq=16 ttl=255 time=1.281 ms 64 bytes from
12.109.222.1: icmp_seq=17 ttl=255 time=1.277 ms ^C
--- 12.109.222.1 ping statistics ---
18 packets transmitted, 18 packets received, 0% packet loss round-trip
min/avg/max/stddev = 1.277/1.322/1.392/0.032 ms

----- Original Message -----
From: "The Wirefree Network" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2003 10:43 AM
Subject: RE: [smartBridges] Bandwidth Limiting Software


> Here's a question (or 3)....
>
> My T-1 router is routing at "wire speed" due to the fact that the
> routing is hardware based, not software based.
>
> If you use software to do bandwidth limiting, you are therefore doing
> software routing, and in effect slowing down your overall speed.
>
> My questions are this:
>
> 1. Is there a way to measure exactly how much latency is added by
> doing software based routing??
>
> 2. Which of all the different types of bandwidth limiting software is
> the fastest?
>
> I have also enabled both firewall filters (stateless) and the stateful

> firewall within my T-1 router.  This is obviously software based and
> therefore is already slowing my line speed down.  I am sure it is
> negligible...but the reason I bring it up is this.
>
> 3. Being that I am already using software based products in line
> (firewalls), would adding the software based routing (bandwidth
> limiting) add to that latency or be negligible??
>
> I truthfully don't have a clue on how to measure this down to the
> level where it would truly show the difference in speeds.  I also
> don't know if or when it would ever matter?!?!?
>
>
> Sully
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lars Gaarden
> Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2003 6:08 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [smartBridges] Bandwidth Limiting Software
>
> Greg Sims wrote:
>
> > The smartBridge system doesn't seem to have a way to limit the
> bandwidth
> > available to any specific client.
>
> If you are familiar with Linux, and are comfortable with the command
> line and recompiling kernels, you can use the built-in bandwidth
> control features of the Linux kernel - http://lartc.org/howto/ In
> addition, you might take a look at arbi -
> http://www.apconnections.net/
>
> Microtik supports bandwidth control. I believe it only includes the
> same features you can get for free with Linux, but it comes in a
> preconfigured package, and Eje provides good support. ;-)
>
> The *BSDs also include bandwith management features for free - ALTQ.
>
> At least some Cisco routers have built-in support for bandwith
> control.
>
> Etinc is definately an option - good price, lots of features. However,

> if you buy the software only package expect to spend some time on
> reading the documentation, because support isn't included (and Dennis
> will tell you so in rather rough terms). http://www.etinc.com/
>
> And then you have Allot, Packeteer, Sitara, Lightspeed, Radware,
> Checkpoint Floodgate and lots of others.
>
> --
> LarsG
>
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