For the record, I am not that Ray.



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "George" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2003 3:35 PM
Subject: Re: [smartBridges] Brand New APPO's!


> That is also a very nice product.
> There's a fellow that is on the other list, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ( I keep
> saying to join the others listS ) named Ray. He is a sizable wisp in
> central California who took
> about 1 year to develop his own cpe unit. That is his unit. He has a
> deal with Tony from Demarc Tech.
> I bet that puppy is more money, but well worth it.
> George
>
>
>
> Shawn Mitchell wrote:
>
> > http://www.demarctech.com/products/reliawave-rwb/rwb-mcpe.htm
> > You test that unit any? It's a full outdoor CPE cheaper than SB's
> > airBridge... and it also is a lot more sensitive than the airBridge...
> > 11meg at -91dBm, 1 meg at -96dBm Also supports rate limiting on the
> > unit, PoE, and a few others things...
> > Has something I really wish the airBrige had... a web based
> > management. I don't like installing software on my PC, or the
> > customers PC. I like Linux running on my laptop... allows me to do
> > MUCH more...
> > Anyone here have any experience with their products that can give a
> > good full review on them?
> >
> >     -----Original Message-----
> >     *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >     [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of *Ray
> >     *Sent:* Saturday, August 23, 2003 13:32
> >     *To:* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >     *Subject:* Re: [smartBridges] Brand New APPO's!
> >
> >     You can also look at the Reliawave units at www.demarctech.com
> >     <http://www.demarctech.com>
> >
> >         ----- Original Message -----
> >         *From:* Marlon Schafer (509-982-2181)
> >         <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >         *To:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >         *Sent:* Saturday, August 23, 2003 10:47 AM
> >         *Subject:* Re: [smartBridges] Brand New APPO's!
> >
> >         You are preaching to the chior on those points.... Trust me,
> >         I've known of SB longer than most anyone here. I helped (it
> >         can easily be argued) get the off and running, certainly in
> >         the wisp market.
> >         I use a ton of sb gear and may well have outspent you too.
> >         We're seeing trouble too. I've warned the owner of SB for at
> >         least a couple of months now that this problem has to go away
> >         NOW. It's costing customers. And in my market there aren't
> >         that many to start with!.
> >         The alternative to an abo total though is a $400 to $500
> >         Zcomax or Telex unit (the telex ones seem very nice if my pre
> >         production unit is any indication!). At some point we'll have
> >         to decide if the warranty work or up front costs is a greater
> >         cost to us.
> >         I certainly don't expect low end pricing to be equal to high
> >         end gear.... Much as I'd like to have both ;-).
> >         Course, I've been in this game long enough to have purchased
> >         indoor bridges at $1400 each! Even $500 for a complete kit
> >         sounds good ;-).
> >         marlon
> >
> >             ----- Original Message -----
> >             *From:* Blazen Wireless <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >             *To:* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >             <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >             *Sent:* Saturday, August 23, 2003 9:07 AM
> >             *Subject:* Re: [smartBridges] Brand New APPO's!
> >
> >             Marlon,
> >             Please if you look at the history we had GREAT WORKING
> >             units coming form SB then all of a sudden WHAM it went
> >             into the TANK WHY? nothing changed on our ends yet SB
> >             claimed nothing was wrong then LOW AND BEHOLD OHH GEE a
> >             chip problem we overlooked! get the picture? Now they
> >             claim the problems are fixed but the true diahards are
> >             seeing otherwise since we use 100% SB product you bet your
> >             ass I am going to bitch I have sunk well over $15K in SB
> >             product from various vendors I have that right to bitch
> >             when something does not work and it was before all this
> >             whole thing...
> >
> >                 *From:* Marlon Schafer (509-982-2181)
> >                 <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >                 *To:* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >                 <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >                 *Sent:* Saturday, August 23, 2003 8:55 AM
> >                 *Subject:* Re: [smartBridges] Brand New APPO's!
> >
> >                 It's an amazing thing isn't it. We buy very nice
> >                 devices at below market rates and then have the guts
> >                 to get made when they don't perform better than
> >                 anything else we've ever run! lol
> >                 If only we didn't have to compete against cable and
> >                 dsl companies that have the money to buy customers....
> >                 marlon
> >
> >                     ----- Original Message -----
> >                     *From:* The Wirefree Network
> >                     <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >                     *To:* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >                     <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >                     *Sent:* Friday, August 22, 2003 8:39 PM
> >                     *Subject:* RE: [smartBridges] Brand New APPO's!
> >
> >                     Of course they work out of the box. The firmware
> >                     upgrade was not to enable the device. It was to
> >                     correct the “timing” issue which was causing
> >                     disassociation (heat related). So…it will work out
> >                     of the box. It just may crash soon after….that is
> >                     why the sticker says upgrade.
> >
> >                     With that said, I had the same problems with my
> >                     units. They initially started flashing all the
> >                     lights. Wooohoo…all my clients are coming online.
> >                     Within 5 minutes, the blue light stopped and soon
> >                     there after the LAN side locked up as well. Bad
> >                     units….RMA them.
> >
> >                     But hey…I am not on sB’s payroll…and I don’t
> >                     approve the RMA’s…so don’t listen to me. I have
> >                     just spent enough time playing with these units.
> >                     Prior to June…you plugged them in and they just
> >                     worked. BAMMM!
> >
> >                     Sully
> >
> >                     -----Original Message-----
> >                     *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >                     [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf
> >                     Of *Shawn Mitchell
> >                     *Sent:* Friday, August 22, 2003 8:16 PM
> >                     *To:* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >                     *Subject:* RE: [smartBridges] Brand New APPO's!
> >
> >                     Nish,
> >
> >                     My point is that they would work out of the box
> >                     WITH OUT upgrading them. The units both had blue
> >                     flashing lights, but one of them didn't after they
> >                     had been running sitting in the sun for several
hours.
> >
> >                     Yes, the Ethernet was working great.. I was
> >                     connected to it via simpleMonitor watching the RF
> >                     (wireless) counters... all sitting at 0... I'm
> >                     trying to tell you that you have have solved some
> >                     of the heat issues, but not all of them. Your
> >                     still sending out bad units and telling people to
> >                     put a bandaid on them. Intel tried the same thing
> >                     with their old Pentium 60Mhz CPU's years back, and
> >                     in the end they switched them out with good ones.
> >
> >                         -----Original Message-----
> >                         *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >                         [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >                         Behalf Of *Nish Park
> >                         *Sent:* Friday, August 22, 2003 21:54
> >                         *To:* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >                         *Subject:* RE: [smartBridges] Brand New APPO's!
> >
> >                         Shawn,
> >
> >                         I read the email a few times and watched the
> >                         movie also. I am not sure what point you are
> >                         trying to make. As the label says, you need to
> >                         upgrade the F/W before it will work properly.
> >                         There are no units with “bad” chips in them.
> >                         The thermal issue can be solved by either the
> >                         new hardware or the new firmware.
> >
> >                         (ps. After the firmware upgrade you may want
> >                         to associate a client to check the operation.
> >                         In the movie it looks like you may have a unit
> >                         with bad Blue LED. Ethernet LED is flashing as
> >                         per normal so it looks like the units is
> >                         working ok but for some reason the Blue LED
> >                         may have come off the solder joint).
> >
> >                         Nish
> >
> >                         -----Original Message-----
> >                         *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >                         [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On
> >                         Behalf Of *Shawn Mitchell
> >                         *Sent:* Saturday, August 23, 2003 9:20 AM
> >                         *To:* '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
> >                         *Subject:* RE: [smartBridges] Brand New APPO's!
> >
> >                         I'm resizing the images and stuff right now...
> >                         I'll have them put up pretty soon, but you'll
> >                         see my point exactly on what I've been dealing
> >                         with over the last few months.
> >
> >                             -----Original Message-----
> >                             *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >                             [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >                             Behalf Of *Chris Chance
> >                             *Sent:* Friday, August 22, 2003 18:38
> >                             *To:* '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
> >                             *Subject:* RE: [smartBridges] Brand New
> >                             APPO's!
> >
> >                             How the hell... whats that bug u speak of
> >                             sounds kinda funny since u said u passed
> >                             traffic
> >
> >                             -----Original Message-----
> >                             From: Shawn Mitchell
> >                             [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >                             Sent: Friday, August 22, 2003 7:05 PM
> >                             To: smartBridges
> >
> >                             And they have bad chips in them!
> >
> >                             The white sticker on the box say's "Before
> >                             these will work correctly, you
> >                             must upgrade them"... So I think to
> >                             myself, "Smartbridges said they pulled
> >                             back all the ones they still had with bad
> >                             chips, so these must not have any
> >                             heat issues... right.." WRONG!
> >
> >                             Here's a nice little 30 second movie:
> >                             http://www.iodamedia.net/new-appo.avi
> >
> >                             One on the bottom is running the .8 code,
> >                             one on top is running the code it
> >                             came with, .5
> >
> >                             Now, they got deliverd at around 12:30pm
> >                             CDT. I wasn't there, called them
> >                             on the phone and told them to sit them
> >                             outside in the sun, plugged in just
> >                             for grins.
> >
> >                             This day (yesterday) happen to be breaking
> >                             record temps all over the place.
> >                             It showed 102*F on the temp readout on my
> >                             jeep. These units were warm, but
> >                             not hot to the touch. "burnning" to the
> >                             human touch is around 50*C (122*F).
> >                             MUCH lower than what the units are rated at.
> >
> >                             But anyway, you can very plainly see that
> >                             on the bottom unit, it's working
> >                             just as normal (RFtxrx light blinks), but
> >                             on the top one... it's totaly off.
> >                             DEAD...
> >
> >                             well, I didn't replace the two AP's that I
> >                             needed to replace still. I
> >                             tested them today.. I'm going to put up
> >                             the screen shots from it.. it's
> >                             quite funny, and let's just say I found a
> >                             few FW bugs in the airBridge, or
> >                             else SB you make good enough of a radio
> >                             that it connected to an AP 5 miles
> >                             away, through/around a large hill, and
> >                             through 20+ multistory brick
> >                             buildings (with a RSSI of -20 something
> >                             and a LQ of 90%+ and passing traffic
> >                             for a while)
> >
>
>
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