I am ass u me ing . But after look at the page, it doesn't say that it does do routing. Go figure. George http://www.demarctech.com/products/reliawave-rwb/rwb-mcpe.htm
The Wirefree Network wrote:
May be a stupid question...but why do you think there is a built in router?
Sully
-----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2003 6:10 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [smartBridges] Brand New APPO's!
I think the cost difference is made up by :
A- Higher quality
B- Bandwidth controll at the end user
C- Routing, assuming they do routing, then you can eliminate a soho gateway router. This is especially important for your small office customers. They can't be going down because of an inadequate radio, nor can they be going down because of a cheapo gateway router.
Gateway routers........ the next bunch of manufacturers that need to get
the butts reammed for selling crap.
I haven't used Ray and Tony's stuff yet. I would if I had a need,
I use Star-Os for my AP's but I also use them for my business class cpe's and for my multi tenant cpe, they do mucho routing and bandwidth controll as well as have the space for 3 nics and 1 wireless cards. or 3
wireless cards and 1 nic, or mix and match , or even put in a multi port
nic card and you have as much as 9 ports plus a wireless feed, all with routing and other benefits.
George
Joe Email wrote:
Shawn
How is this Reliawave any cheaper
We pay $229.00 aBO and $55.00 for 18 dBi antenna = $284.00, For Total $289.00
Hey, I want them to fix these problems as much as anyone, that is why we have been holding off on deploying
We purchased 2 of the YDI etherant 2's at the first of the year, those
things haven't blinked yet, they cost about $100
more than the airBridge
I am looking at other options as well
A few days ago, I told them they needed to swap out any units directly
and today already, they said they wouldMitchell
I am like you guys, they still have some bad chips in the pipeline
I am getting ready to install 3 aPPO's about 300' on a tower but I am really scared to, the last time I had 3 radio's put
on a tower at this height, it cost me $700
Joe K
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<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>*Sent:* Saturday, August 23, 2003 4:48 PM *To:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] *Subject:* RE: [smartBridges] Brand New APPO's!
http://www.demarctech.com/products/reliawave-rwb/rwb-mcpe.htm You test that unit any? It's a full outdoor CPE cheaper than SB's airBridge... and it also is a lot more sensitive than the airBridge... 11meg at -91dBm, 1 meg at -96dBm Also supports rate limiting on the unit, PoE, and a few others things... Has something I really wish the airBrige had... a web based management. I don't like installing software on my PC, or the customers PC. I like Linux running on my laptop... allows me to do MUCH more... Anyone here have any experience with their products that can give a good full review on them?
-----Original Message----- *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of *Ray *Sent:* Saturday, August 23, 2003 13:32 *To:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] *Subject:* Re: [smartBridges] Brand New APPO's!
You can also look at the Reliawave units at www.demarctech.com <http://www.demarctech.com>
----- Original Message ----- *From:* Marlon Schafer (509-982-2181) <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> *To:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> *Sent:* Saturday, August 23, 2003 10:47 AM *Subject:* Re: [smartBridges] Brand New APPO's!
You are preaching to the chior on those points.... Trust me, I've known of SB longer than most anyone here. I helped (it can easily be argued) get the off and running, certainly in the wisp market. I use a ton of sb gear and may well have outspent you too. We're seeing trouble too. I've warned the owner of SB for at least a couple of months now that this problem has to go away NOW. It's costing customers. And in my market there aren't that many to start with!. The alternative to an abo total though is a $400 to $500 Zcomax or Telex unit (the telex ones seem very nice if my pre production unit is any indication!). At some point we'll have to decide if the warranty work or up front costs is a greater cost to us. I certainly don't expect low end pricing to be equal to high end gear.... Much as I'd like to have both ;-). Course, I've been in this game long enough to have purchased indoor bridges at $1400 each! Even $500 for a complete kit sounds good ;-). marlon
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APPO's!*To:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> *Sent:* Saturday, August 23, 2003 9:07 AM *Subject:* Re: [smartBridges] Brand New APPO's!
Marlon, Please if you look at the history we had GREAT WORKING units coming form SB then all of a sudden WHAM it went into the TANK WHY? nothing changed on our ends yet SB claimed nothing was wrong then LOW AND BEHOLD OHH GEE a chip problem we overlooked! get the picture? Now they claim the problems are fixed but the true diahards are seeing otherwise since we use 100% SB product you bet your ass I am going to bitch I have sunk well over $15K in SB product from various vendors I have that right to bitch when something does not work and it was before all this whole thing...
*From:* Marlon Schafer (509-982-2181) <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> *To:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> *Sent:* Saturday, August 23, 2003 8:55 AM *Subject:* Re: [smartBridges] Brand New APPO's!
It's an amazing thing isn't it. We buy very nice devices at below market rates and then have the guts to get made when they don't perform better than anything else we've ever run! lol If only we didn't have to compete against cable and dsl companies that have the money to buy customers.... marlon
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*Sent:* Friday, August 22, 2003 8:39 PM
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Of course they work out of the box. Theupgrade.
firmware upgrade was not to enable the device.
It was to correct the "timing" issue which was
causing disassociation (heat related). So.it
will work out of the box. It just may crash
soon after..that is why the sticker says
APPO's!With that said, I had the same problems with my units. They initially started flashing all the lights. Wooohoo.all my clients are coming online. Within 5 minutes, the blue light stopped and soon there after the LAN side locked up as well. Bad units..RMA them.
But hey.I am not on sB's payroll.and I don't approve the RMA's.so don't listen to me. I have just spent enough time playing with these units. Prior to June.you plugged them in and they just worked. BAMMM!
Sully
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Nish,[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
My point is that they would work out of the box WITH OUT upgrading them. The units both had blue flashing lights, but one of them didn't after they had been running sitting in the sun for several hours.
Yes, the Ethernet was working great.. I was connected to it via simpleMonitor watching the RF (wireless) counters... all sitting at 0... I'm trying to tell you that you have have solved some of the heat issues, but not all of them. Your still sending out bad units and telling people to put a bandaid on them. Intel tried the same thing with their old Pentium 60Mhz CPU's years back, and in the end they switched them out with good ones.
-----Original Message----- *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of *Nish Park *Sent:* Friday, August 22, 2003 21:54 *To:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] *Subject:* RE: [smartBridges] Brand New APPO's!
Shawn,
I read the email a few times and watched the movie also. I am not sure what point you are trying to make. As the label says, you need to upgrade the F/W before it will work properly. There are no units with "bad" chips in them. The thermal issue can be solved by either the new hardware or the new firmware.
(ps. After the firmware upgrade you may want to associate a client to check the operation. In the movie it looks like you may have a unit with bad Blue LED. Ethernet LED is flashing as per normal so it looks like the units is working ok but for some reason the Blue LED may have come off the solder joint).
Nish
-----Original Message----- *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Shawn Mitchell *Sent:* Saturday, August 23, 2003 9:20 AM *To:* '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' *Subject:* RE: [smartBridges] Brand New APPO's!
I'm resizing the images and stuff right now... I'll have them put up pretty soon, but you'll see my point exactly on what I've been dealing with over the last few months.
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itBehalf Of *Chris Chance *Sent:* Friday, August 22, 2003 18:38 *To:* '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' *Subject:* RE: [smartBridges] Brand New APPO's!
How the hell... whats that bug u speak of sounds kinda funny since u said u passed traffic
-----Original Message----- From: Shawn Mitchell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 22, 2003 7:05 PM To: smartBridges
And they have bad chips in them!
The white sticker on the box say's "Before these will work correctly, you must upgrade them"... So I think to myself, "Smartbridges said they pulled back all the ones they still had with bad chips, so these must not have any heat issues... right.." WRONG!
Here's a nice little 30 second movie: http://www.iodamedia.net/new-appo.avi
One on the bottom is running the .8
code, one on top is running the code
came with, .5them
Now, they got deliverd at around
12:30pm CDT. I wasn't there, called
place.on the phone and told them to sit them outside in the sun, plugged in just for grins.
This day (yesterday) happen to be
breaking record temps all over the
It showed 102*F on the temp readout on(122*F).
my jeep. These units were warm, but
not hot to the touch. "burnning" to
the human touch is around 50*C
orMUCH lower than what the units are rated at.
But anyway, you can very plainly see that on the bottom unit, it's working just as normal (RFtxrx light blinks), but on the top one... it's totaly off. DEAD...
well, I didn't replace the two AP's
that I needed to replace still. I
tested them today.. I'm going to put
up the screen shots from it.. it's
quite funny, and let's just say I
found a few FW bugs in the airBridge,
else SB you make good enough of amiles
radio that it connected to an AP 5
away, through/around a large hill, and through 20+ multistory brick buildings (with a RSSI of -20 something and a LQ of 90%+ and passing traffic for a while)
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