Re: [smartBridges] Bachauls

[Derek Breiland]

The QuickBridge gear is 2.4 though so it is not apples to apples.  With the correct channel selection on the backhaul it is doable, but that is why Trango is still in the lead from my perspective.  The Proxim product has a smaller footprint to it much like the Trango gear.   Another thing I have considered is using the MP.11A which is their 5.8 with an AP at the remote tower and a CPE on my tower.  At that point the AP becomes the backhaul and the access AP (off of a different tower) for customers if I were to  use Proxim gear for CPE for customers.    I have another backhaul scenario I am working on to get additional backbone bandwidth to my data center directly form the POP eliminating those dreaded local loop charges from the local telco.  This is where the Proxim product problably fits in the best as it can provide high bandwidth at a lower cost than most. This would be a CPE at the POP, AP at the middle tower, and CPE on my tower to provide the link  (like described above).  This would provide me backhaul and another AP site all in one shot.  Ever heard of such a thing?  The AP on the middle tower overlooks the entire city of which I cannot provide service to currently (I just do rural presently).  Whole new set of rules (population 36,000).  There are 2 cable companies with cable modem and 3 DSL companies so getting the avrage customer is going to be difficult.  My niche may fit in to some of the larger companies in town that are looking for redundant internet access for their business due to only one cable path to their location as well as mobile access.  Anyone out there doing mobile access for customers and does it work well?   There are many options it seems of which one or two are viable.  Trango will problably be it.  I would like to avoid intermixing gear for CPE if I can.   As you know, lots to think about. ----- Original Message ----- From: Gloria Vester To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2003 7:27 AM Subject: RE: [smartBridges] Bachauls Really? I guess I need to re-visit the Proxim line then, as I thought they were at a much higher price point the last time I looked.  I have certainly heard good things about their products, but thought they were totally out of my price range.   Best of luck, Gloria   -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Derek Breiland Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2003 7:20 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [smartBridges] Bachauls   Trango is definitley in the lead at this point as I agree with you.  The Proxim products are pretty price competitive as well and actually provide higher bandwidth capabilites depending on the distance. ----- Original Message ----- From: Gloria Vester To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2003 7:16 AM Subject: RE: [smartBridges] Bachauls   If space is an issue, then you should look at the Trango.  We were originally looking at the Canopy for our first backhaul, but when we found the Trango for half the price, we went with it and have been very happy with it.  The Tranzeo that we just ordered is an all-in-one if you are only going up to 5 miles, but we ordered the 10 mile kit which comes with large dishes.  Just my .02 worth. J   Gloria   -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Derek Breiland Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2003 7:05 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [smartBridges] Bachauls   I agree with the pricing opinion you give on the Canopy stuff.  My debate in 5.8 is either Canopy, Proxim, or Trango.  I will be looking at Tranzeo also as it was mentioned in an earlier reply.  I am limited to space restrictions at the rmote tower so size of the gear is an issue.  POE and outdoor capability (in Minnesota) is a must.    Thanks for your input.  I have researched mfg's and specs but getting hands on feedback from WISP's doing it is golden info.  Thanks again. ----- Original Message ----- From: TJ Burbank To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2003 9:44 PM Subject: Re: [smartBridges] Bachauls   Well as for backhaul I would not recommend SmartBridges equipment if you = are going to plan on having 20 or more users connected through that = backhaul.  We are a medium sized WISP and have found that after about 20 = users (bridges) connected through APpo's and things started to fall = apart.  Also you have to deal with extra devices in the 2.4ghz spectrum = to interfere with you. We had 3 such senerios setup on our networks to seperate remote sites = and have since changed them to 5.7ghz Motorola Canopy equipment. =20 I am excited to say that since switching the equipment, we have had more than 30 days uptime without rebooting the device. And exceptional performance even during the Welchia / Blaster network storms. Sure the Motorola Canopy stuff is over priced but for 5 nine's reliability it is your only option. Be sure to let me know if you have additional questions about the 5.7 Motorola Canopy Backhaul Units.   Here is a little info on our backhauls.   3 Total   1 - 6.30 Miles - LOS 1 - 6.45 Miles - LOS 1 - 5.39 Miles - LOS We worked a little extra to get Line of Site however Motorola claims this system will work up to 20 miles (reflectors and both ends) without LOS.   -TJ Burbank Last Mile Wireless   ----- Original Message ----- From: Derek Breiland To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2003 5:21 PM Subject: [smartBridges] Bachauls   I would be interested to know what any of you are using backhauls between towers.  I am considering 5.8.  Ideas and general info, manufacturers, and model info would be greatly appreciated.