Thank you for the note and information.

Yes - I have the latest Debian release (9.9), and have full apt updates & 
upgrades.

Yes; 2.6.11 is their most recent release, and I've been running on their ported 
releases all along.

Yes; RRd's are getting updated. I checked the file timestamps, and also the 
system logs show the updates, and I ran smokeping with a -debug flag and it 
showed the updates. (below)

Thanks for the FAQ reference. All of my permissions and ownerships seem correct.

Checking the Apache issue it notes; I get this:
root@alpha:/var/lib/smokeping/World/MUM# apachectl -V | grep SERVER_CONFIG
[Mon Jun 24 19:07:02.540073 2019] [alias:warn] [pid 46591] AH00671: The 
ScriptAlias directive in /etc/apache2/conf-enabled/smokeping.conf at line 3 
will probably never match because it overlaps an earlier ScriptAlias.
[Mon Jun 24 19:07:02.540635 2019] [alias:warn] [pid 46591] AH00671: The Alias 
directive in /etc/apache2/conf-enabled/smokeping.conf at line 4 will probably 
never match because it overlaps an earlier ScriptAlias.
AH00558: apache2: Could not reliably determine the server's fully qualified 
domain name, using 127.0.1.1. Set the 'ServerName' directive globally to 
suppress this message
-D SERVER_CONFIG_FILE="apache2.conf"

Here is he file in error: (but this has not been changed in many years... Not 
sure where I got it! )
root@alpha:/etc/apache2/conf-available# cat smokeping.conf
## GRG:
ScriptAlias /smokeping               /usr/lib/cgi-bin/smokeping.cgi
ScriptAlias /smokeping/smokeping.cgi /usr/lib/cgi-bin/smokeping.cgi
Alias /smokeping /usr/share/smokeping/www

<Directory "/usr/share/smokeping/www">
    Options FollowSymLinks
    Require all granted
</Directory>

I've seen several different versions of this setup, 
(https://github.com/chicks-net/smokeping-config/blob/master/apache2.conf, 
https://nsrc.org/workshops/2017/caren-cndo/networking/cndo/en/labs/smokeping_install.html
 ), and don't know how they compare, or which is correct! This may be where I 
have mishandled the setup??
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root@alpha:/etc# smokeping --debug
### Compiling alert detector pattern 'someloss'
### >0%,*12*,>0%,*12*,>0%
sub {
    my $d = shift;
    my $y = $d->{loss};
    ...
    }
    return 0;
}



Smokeping version 2.006011 successfully launched.
Not entering multiprocess mode with '--debug'. Use '--debug-daemon' for that.
FPing: probing 13 targets with step 300 s and offset 147 s.
EchoPingHttp: probing 4 targets with step 300 s and offset 147 s.
FPing: Executing /usr/bin/fping -C 20 -q -B1 -r1 -i10 cs1.cs.mum.edu 
IAState.edu smtp.mum.edu pcgrg.cs.mum.edu online.cs.mum.edu imap.mum.edu 
Natel.com admin.cs.mum.edu uiowa.edu www.csmasters.org csgrg.cs.mum.edu 
purdue.edu
FPing: Got fping output: 'cs1.cs.mum.edu    : 0.81 2.92 9.35 1.02 4.96 9.97 
10.71 9.42 0.56 5.24 1.53 0.45 1.04 1.18 1.24 1.06 10.27 11.31 9.58 0.52'
FPing: Got fping output: 'IAState.edu       : 24.27 22.06 19.41 20.07 18.95 
19.23 18.40 28.96 18.55 21.27 19.36 22.81 18.92 20.38 24.66 17.81 17.99 18.91 
17.65 17.96'
FPing: Got fping output: 'smtp.mum.edu      : 10.75 8.58 2.47 2.57 8.86 8.83 
6.40 5.74 4.81 2.15 1.07 1.56 7.06 0.83 2.61 3.00 3.11 0.97 3.30 6.11'
FPing: Got fping output: 'pcgrg.cs.mum.edu  : - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 
- - -'
FPing: Got fping output: 'online.cs.mum.edu : 6.93 3.90 3.67 7.10 4.37 3.41 
3.12 1.13 2.21 2.44 1.64 1.95 1.18 8.52 3.36 1.03 3.06 2.81 2.12 1.44'
FPing: Got fping output: 'imap.mum.edu      : 1.89 1.56 5.64 3.14 10.22 9.25 
6.40 7.36 5.54 1.62 2.37 1.37 0.86 1.38 10.22 11.71 2.80 5.45 5.43 4.19'
FPing: Got fping output: 'Natel.com         : 3.11 2.31 1.34 1.53 2.03 1.47 
1.52 13.07 11.16 6.13 1.21 5.11 4.67 6.78 7.38 1.30 1.48 7.35 11.35 1.26'
FPing: Got fping output: 'admin.cs.mum.edu  : 7.69 0.50 1.24 7.25 6.71 4.20 
3.11 2.61 0.35 0.95 0.30 6.25 0.38 0.75 0.92 1.09 0.29 1.44 0.35 1.99'
FPing: Got fping output: 'uiowa.edu         : 38.92 40.53 44.58 41.22 39.57 
44.19 46.20 39.25 52.39 38.17 38.58 38.99 38.92 38.11 38.08 38.17 38.09 40.72 
49.75 42.13'
FPing: Got fping output: 'www.csmasters.org : 3.10 5.65 3.40 3.54 1.95 1.56 
1.22 6.99 5.85 1.37 7.77 0.90 8.04 4.66 8.14 1.23 0.84 1.91 4.03 9.24'
FPing: Got fping output: 'csgrg.cs.mum.edu  : 1.96 1.52 0.64 2.24 7.53 3.11 
5.69 4.03 2.98 1.49 6.92 0.94 0.84 1.22 8.42 0.95 5.69 3.39 1.86 1.99'
FPing: Got fping output: 'purdue.edu        : 19.55 19.79 20.98 24.06 21.62 
21.50 29.24 26.86 24.38 22.17 20.88 19.16 19.05 18.78 18.92 28.06 19.02 23.44 
19.57 19.34'
Calling RRDs::update(/var/lib/smokeping/World/MUM/MUM-IMAP_email_server.rrd 
--template 
uptime:loss:median:ping1:ping2:ping3:ping4:ping5:ping6:ping7:ping8:ping9:ping10:ping11:ping12:ping13:ping14:ping15:ping16:ping17:ping18:ping19:ping20
 
1561420876:U:0:5.4300000000e-03:8.6000000000e-04:1.3700000000e-03:1.3800000000e-03:1.5600000000e-03:1.6200000000e-03:1.8900000000e-03:2.3700000000e-03:2.8000000000e-03:3.1400000000e-03:4.1900000000e-03:5.4300000000e-03:5.4500000000e-03:5.5400000000e-03:5.6400000000e-03:6.4000000000e-03:7.3600000000e-03:9.2500000000e-03:1.0220000000e-02:1.0220000000e-02:1.1710000000e-02)
Calling RRDs::update(/var/lib/smokeping/World/MUM/MUM_SMTP_mail_server.rrd 
--template 
uptime:loss:median:ping1:ping2:ping3:ping4:ping5:ping6:ping7:ping8:ping9:ping10:ping11:ping12:ping13:ping14:ping15:ping16:ping17:ping18:ping19:ping20
 
1561420876:U:0:3.3000000000e-03:8.3000000000e-04:9.7000000000e-04:1.0700000000e-03:1.5600000000e-03:2.1500000000e-03:2.4700000000e-03:2.5700000000e-03:2.6100000000e-03:3.0000000000e-03:3.1100000000e-03:3.3000000000e-03:4.8100000000e-03:5.7400000000e-03:6.1100000000e-03:6.4000000000e-03:7.0600000000e-03:8.5800000000e-03:8.8300000000e-03:8.8600000000e-03:1.0750000000e-02)
Calling RRDs::update(/var/lib/smokeping/World/Web-http/IAstate--http.rrd 
--template 
uptime:loss:median:ping1:ping2:ping3:ping4:ping5:ping6:ping7:ping8:ping9:ping10:ping11:ping12:ping13:ping14:ping15:ping16:ping17:ping18:ping19:ping20
 1561420876:U:20:U:U:U:U:U:U:U:U:U:U:U:U:U:U:U:U:U:U:U:U:U)
Calling RRDs::update(/var/lib/smokeping/World/Web-http/Purdue--http.rrd 
--template 
uptime:loss:median:ping1:ping2:ping3:ping4:ping5:ping6:ping7:ping8:ping9:ping10:ping11:ping12:ping13:ping14:ping15:ping16:ping17:ping18:ping19:ping20
 1561420876:U:20:U:U:U:U:U:U:U:U:U:U:U:U:U:U:U:U:U:U:U:U:U)
Calling RRDs::update(/var/lib/smokeping/World/Web-http/UIowa--http.rrd 
--template 
uptime:loss:median:ping1:ping2:ping3:ping4:ping5:ping6:ping7:ping8:ping9:ping10:ping11:ping12:ping13:ping14:ping15:ping16:ping17:ping18:ping19:ping20
 1561420876:U:20:U:U:U:U:U:U:U:U:U:U:U:U:U:U:U:U:U:U:U:U:U)
Calling RRDs::update(/var/lib/smokeping/World/Web-http/Fairfield-http.rrd 
--template 
uptime:loss:median:ping1:ping2:ping3:ping4:ping5:ping6:ping7:ping8:ping9:ping10:ping11:ping12:ping13:ping14:ping15:ping16:ping17:ping18:ping19:ping20
 1561420876:U:20:U:U:U:U:U:U:U:U:U:U:U:U:U:U:U:U:U:U:U:U:U)
...
Calling RRDs::update(/var/lib/smokeping/World/USA/Fairfield.rrd --template 
uptime:loss:median:ping1:ping2:ping3:ping4:ping5:ping6:ping7:ping8:ping9:ping10:ping11:ping12:ping13:ping14:ping15:ping16:ping17:ping18:ping19:ping20
 
1561420876:U:0:3.1100000000e-03:1.2100000000e-03:1.2600000000e-03:1.3000000000e-03:1.3400000000e-03:1.4700000000e-03:1.4800000000e-03:1.5200000000e-03:1.5300000000e-03:2.0300000000e-03:2.3100000000e-03:3.1100000000e-03:4.6700000000e-03:5.1100000000e-03:6.1300000000e-03:6.7800000000e-03:7.3500000000e-03:7.3800000000e-03:1.1160000000e-02:1.1350000000e-02:1.3070000000e-02)
root@alpha:/etc#


And the files:
root@alpha:/var/lib/smokeping/World/MUM# ls -lt
total 11680
-rw-r--r-- 1 smokeping www-data 2986808 Jun 24 19:01 MUM-IMAP_email_server.rrd
-rw-r--r-- 1 smokeping www-data 2986808 Jun 24 19:01 MUM_SMTP_mail_server.rrd
-rw-r--r-- 1 smokeping www-data 2986808 Jun 24 09:00 MUM_POP_email_server.rrd
-rw-r--r-- 1 smokeping www-data 2986808 Jun 24 09:00 MUM_main_server.rrd


From: Gregory Sloop <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2019 12:13 PM
To: Gregory Guthrie <[email protected]>; [email protected]
Subject: Re: [smokeping-users] empty graphs

I scanned your earlier messages, but didn't do more than a quick scan - thus 
it's possible I've missed something.

I'm assuming you're running a current debian version and are using a debian 
packaged smokeping. [2.6.11 *is* pretty old (late 2014), but I don't think 
that's the source of your problem - but it makes me wonder about how current 
your debian install is. Which, is again, unlikely to be the source of your 
issue - but it's something to consider for the longer term - security and OS 
updates...]

So, nothing changed that was a proximal cause of the problem? Like a debian 
upgrade? It just spontaneously broke?

GG> The rrd files seem to be getting updated properly,

How sure are you that the RRD's are updated? This is the first place I'd start 
looking.
Running in debug mode often helps.

smokeping --debug

Watch the output.


--
Enpty graphs is a common symptom of RRD's not getting the data - and that's 
usually a permissions issue. But the PNG's will get produced.

See the FAQ:
https://github.com/oetiker/SmokePing/wiki/FAQ


-Greg


--
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EMail: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
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