Cheers Ranulph 

interesting , I work i a HI-Tech Crime unit but still use a handwritten diary 
and to be honest have only just got into using my Macs calendar although i love 
it i still physically write dates etc into my moleskin diary and yes I carry it 
around with me. I find the more tech i have to use the more old fashioned I 
seem to get when off duty, for instance I love books and hate reading from a 
screen I have an iPad but can't read a book from the device (call me a snob 
;-)) , also you can't take an iPad in the bath (well you can but at great risk) 
and the iPad Ibooks lack  dog-ear corners character and the ability to scribble 
unintelligible notes in the margins.. ;-) 

As you can see I'm kinda old fashioned but in the end I purchased cloud 
outliner, its simple and I'm hoping it  keeps my notes and ideas all together.

regards Ray


On 6 Sep 2013, at 20:28, Ranulph Glanville <[email protected]> wrote:

> First, Word has a built in outliner.
> 
> I'm not recommending it: I write a very great deal and do not use an 
> outliner, nor do I use mind mapping software for writing, but the word one is 
> simple and free, if you have word. There are no overall rules, I think. It 
> depends on who you are, how and what you are writing. Even when I teach a 
> class on how to write a dissertation/thesis (no pedantry here) I don't tell 
> people how to do it. I tell them something of the type of thing that's 
> available, and how I write, and I ask them about how they write.
> 
> When I do need to organise, what do I use? Index cards. Real physical ones, 
> though I do sometimes use a sw version on my ipad mini. I use the same 
> technology for lecturing, too.
> 
> To me scrapple looks better than most mind mapping sw, which is why I 
> recommended it. It's quick to learn, elegant and flexible. I was, however, 
> really looking at it for a different fort of job.
> 
> Ranulph
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> On 6 Sep 2013, at 18:27, Ray Packham wrote:
> 
>> HI Jason
>> 
>> Its me again I forgot to add I purchased Cloud outliner on your 
>> recommendation, so if it turns out to be rubbish I will bill ya LOL  ;-)
>> 
>> No thanks again for advice and best wishes 
>> 
>> Ray
>> On 6 Sep 2013, at 17:38, Jason Davies <[email protected]> wrote:
>> 
>>> On 6 Sep 2013, at 17:17, Ray Packham wrote:
>>> 
>>> yes .. its masters level.
>>> 
>>> then I will deploy the pedants' card and say it's a dissertation (thesis is 
>>> PhD).
>>> 
>>> It's the opposite in the US, helpfully;)
>>> 
>>> So possibly if they mention thesis, they are standardising to that. And 
>>> spelling sulphur as sulfur…
>>> 
>>> The number of students I have taught at M level…here's the speech about 
>>> your dissertation. Try to write a one sentence version first even if you 
>>> are unsure of your conclusion. Then explain a bit more by turning that into 
>>> a paragraph. That paragraph should hopefully break down into something that 
>>> can become an outline. Then you start adding sections, and because it's an 
>>> outline it should become clear what you need as you expand it. Try to 
>>> expand it fairly evenly. When the outline becomes unwieldy, you are ready 
>>> to start actually filling in the bits to make it prose and because you 
>>> already have a plan, it's relatively simple. Turning an outline into RTF or 
>>> similar is easy with Multimarkdown Composer though I don't like actually 
>>> typing in it. It opens opml (outliner format) files and then lets you 
>>> export as rtf, and the outline headers become headings, and the notes 
>>> become normal text.
>>> 
>>> Get the plan right before you start writing and you will usually go up a 
>>> grade.
>>> 
>>> And always write down references as you go along, you will not remember 
>>> where you read everything*. Thus Sente's quote function is handy.
>>> 
>>> I rarely remember where *I wrote something, never mind someone else…
>>> 
>>> Practice using Outliner on something you already understand, to see how it 
>>> works. You don't want to troubleshoot it while trying to think. Organising 
>>> your thoughts becomes so much easier when you work out where to put each 
>>> bit.
>>> 
>>> Finally: never ever try to write the final prose version and think at the 
>>> same time. Write in notes. Very very few people can think and type at the 
>>> same time. I touch type 60 wpm (i.e. without thinking) and even I can 
>>> definitely not think and type at the same time when I'm writing something 
>>> serious.
>>> 
>>> Good luck;)
>>> 
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