Hi smug,
But it's outdated for *that context*
How about archaeoglyph?;)
cheers,
-Jason
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On 18 Aug 2016 at 15:42:40 BST, Ben Rubinstein <[email protected]> wrote:
I'll buy your point that ante- would be better than post-, but I don't accept
> And skeuomorphism is the deliberately outdated evocation of the old
- I think that skeuomorphism is one thing to the tune of another, but the
'other' doesn't need to be old or outdated.
The old calculator apps resembled physical calculators, which aren't dead yet;
the dial on 'speedtest.net' resembles the speedometer, which is still an actual
device (at least in my car...); some people really do have leather-bound desk
calendars. Those are all skeuomorphic, as much as the floppy-disk icon; but
unlike the latter, it's not about the old.
Skeuomorphism can be aesthetic (the leather border on the calendar app a few
years ago); or can be to promote - cough - affordance (e.g. the icon of a
spanner on a button, so the user immediately gets an idea of what it does).
Stephen's looking (or was a while ago, he may now be regretting starting this
conversation...) for a word to describe the subset of skeumorph icons (or
pictographs?) that are based on items no longer in common use.
How about obsoletograph?
On 18/08/2016 12:05, Jason Davies wrote:
> But it's not postskeuomorphic...it predates skeuomorphism which gives you
> *pre* or *ante*skeuomorphic And skeuomorphism is the deliberately outdated
> evocation of the old, which is the opposite of what we are talking about...so,
> logically, but absurdly, it's antiskeuomorphic or anteskeuomorphic. Good news
> for those who struggle with spelling unusual words:)
>
> If you want to get ethnographic (semiotics) about it, virtually every sign is
> outdated. The letter a comes originally from aleph which was an ox. So I
> suggest the term 'posthieroglyphic';)
>
>
>
> On 17 Aug 2016, at 19:25, Sam - MacAmbulance wrote:
>
>> How about post-skeoumorphic if the icon relates to an outdated real-world
>> representation of a computer element.
>>
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>> On 17 Aug 2016, at 19:17, Ben Rubinstein <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> With all respect to Gilly's grandson, that's not quite right. At least, the
>> term may have evolved to have that meaning in Sydney, but that's not how
>> it's used by user experience practitioners / interface designers here.
>>
>> At least in the UK/US, affordance refers to the perceivable properties of an
>> element, especially with respect to the actions you can take with it. (The
>> term is corrupted from use in other disciplines - it should really be
>> "perceived affordance" or similar - but I won't go into that.)
>>
>> So the icon of a floppy disk is an affordance only to the extent that we've
>> all been trained to recognise that clicking a button with that icon will
>> save our current document (even those too young to have ever used an actual
>> floppy disk). But the term applies equally well to any other clear and
>> obvious control, even if it doesn't implicitly refer to something very old
>> (e.g. airplane icon on the button to select airplane mode) or indeed refer
>> to something concrete at all (e.g. the reload icon of a circular arrow). Or
>> indeed to a button with the word "Save" on it.
>>
>> I don't know if there is a word with the meaning that Stephen actually
>> wanted - an opportunity to coin one! The nearest I can think of is
>> "anachronistic", but that's not quite right - there's nothing wrong with
>> these icons, it's just that their derivation relates to something historic.
>>
>> Let us know what you come up with....
>>
>> Ben
>>
>>
>>
>>> On 15/08/2016 09:50, Gillian Snoxall wrote:
>>> Hi Stephen,
>>>
>>> I put your question to my grandson (who was an Apple Genius in Sydney), and
>>> he immediately came up with “affordance” as the word you are looking for.
>>> Sounds crazy to me, but he insists that that is the technical term to
>>> describe the use of icons depicting things that no longer exist, in modern
>>> applications.
>>>
>>> Gilly
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On 13 Aug 2016, at 15:06, [email protected] wrote:
>>>>
>>>> … describe icons used in modern applications that show items that are
>>>> obsolete or dated and not used for the task in hand?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> For example, at work we are quickly phasing out flatbed scanners and very
>>>> strongly encourage people to use phones and tablets to photograph
>>>> documents and send them to us. Our new interface has a “Send document”
>>>> button which shows a flatbed scanner!
>>>>
>>>> The latest MS Word (for Windows) has a floppy disc icon to click which
>>>> saves your work. Neither of the two guys I work with have ever seen or
>>>> used a 3.5” floppy disc.
>>>>
>>>> The generic icon used for a storage device is frequently a hard disc even
>>>> when the device has Solid State storage.
>>>>
>>>> And will the same soon apply to the icon for a camera?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Just idle Saturday wondering.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Stephen
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Technology is the knack of rearranging the world so that we don't have to
>>>> experience it" - Max Frisch
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