The whole thing is a difficult situation.  I'm uncomfortable with the high
profile negative reporting on it, calling the FL courts Nazis and all.  The
courts are acting well within FL law.  Now do the laws need to be revised?
Maybe, but they are not supposed to change law, only rule on interpreting
it. 


Charles Mims
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-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 1:13 PM
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Subject: Re: [Sndbox] Right to Die


Hmm... well they probably *would* know.




On Wednesday, October 15, 2003, at 11:05 AM, Charles wrote:

> Actually, the hospice folks here swear that removing the tube is 
> actually more peaceful for the patient than other methods.  Their body 
> shuts down and goes to sleep.
>
>
> Charles Mims
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> On Behalf Of Laurie
> Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 11:38 AM
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> Subject: RE: [Sndbox] Right to Die
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> I have a problem with just stopping the feeding tube.
> That is starving her to death...nope...can't go with that..but if she 
> is braindead, or in a permanent vegitative state, I can see increasing 
> pain meds and ending her life that way....no suffering. In my opinion, 
> starvation is painful and suffering occurs.
>
> Laurie
> --- David <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> I'm like you on this one.  We had a tough decision with Julie's 
>> mom...but fortunately the doctor was able to ask her mother if she 
>> wanted more pain medicine or did she want to be more alert.  She 
>> chose the pain medicine and it basically put her to sleep then shut 
>> her down.
>> She was in so much pain
>> and suffering from the cancer.  Now this case is a bit different, but 
>> if they feel that taking the woman off of the feeding tubes will 
>> cause her pain and make her suffer, I'm not for her suffering.  I say 
>> since she is basically dead anyway, then give her enough medication 
>> to let it be an easy transition.  I don't like playing God, but I 
>> don't think that is the case.
>>
>> David L.
>>
>> Ben Franklin:  "Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As 
>> nations become corrupt, they have more need of masters."
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
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>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Charles
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 9:58 AM
>> To: 'The Sandbox Discussion List'
>> Subject: RE: [Sndbox] Right to Die
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>>
>> I haven't decided on this one.  The woman has been vegetative for 13 
>> years.
>> For all practical purposes she is not alive, and reports I've heard 
>> is that her brain waves are severely deteriorated. The drain on her 
>> immediate family (Husband (children?)) must be enormous not even 
>> counting the financial drain keeping her artificially alive.
>>
>> I'm looking at it like this, my wife (who according to the laws of 
>> the state of FL is my next of kin) knows my wishes.  If she made the 
>> difficult decision to cease heroic measures on me I wouldn't want my 
>> mother to be able to step in and make a different decision.  If the 
>> extended family wins in this case, that is the precedent that will be 
>> set.
>>
>> I know for *ME* I don't want to live like that.
>> Take the tube away.  If it
>> is the only thing keeping me alive, I mean, and I'm not conscious.
>> Now if I were still conscious and just couldn't eat, then it is a 
>> different story.
>>
>>
>> Charles Mims
>> http://www.the-sandbox.org
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> On Behalf Of Tim Harder
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 10:38 AM
>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Subject: [Sndbox] Right to Die
>>
>>
>> Has anyone been paying attention to the woman in Florida who has been 
>> a vegetable since 1990.  They are going to remove her feeding tube...
>> They say she will *probably* die in about two weeks....
>> Does anybody else find
>> this disturbing?  I suppose they will have her loaded up on pain meds?
>> Is it better for her to go this way... or would it be better for 
>> someone to give her a lethal dose of something?
>>
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