My reasoning is that even though she has been kept alive by artificial means... not feeding her any more is taking action to let her die... I don't see the difference between that and giving an overdose of morphine. JMO
******* <Jen > In the hospitals in Ohio when a person was ordered not to be resusitated <sp?> they took them off of all medication that would continue to basicly help them. If it was a person that was comotose that included no feeding tube or liquids through IV's. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Harder" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "The Sandbox Discussion List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 10:38 AM Subject: Re: [Sndbox] Right to Die > > > I don't think she is ventilated....ie. she is breathing on her own. > The reason why I say that is that if she was ventilated it wouldn't > take two weeks for her to die. I did see a tape of this woman and > the lights *were*on... I don't doubt that *nobody* was home, however. > I am not an expert on the definition of the word comatose. I think > that an overdose of morphine would be better for all concerned than > waiting for her to starve to death. My reasoning is that even though > she has been kept alive by artificial means... not feeding her any > more is taking action to let her die... I don't see the difference > between > that and giving an overdose of morphine. JMO > > As far as who gets to choose... I am in total agreement with Charles > and Jen. I just think that if you are going to let her die... get it > over with. > > > > > > On Wednesday, October 15, 2003, at 02:22 PM, Jen -- wrote: > > > Is she on breathing machines or she is breathing on her own ? > > > > If she is honestly comotose as well as brain dead, removing the > > feeding tube > > is not going to be painful for her. > > > > Im not being judgemental because I dont know the circumstances, but I > > cant > > imagine wanting to keep a person comotose for 13 years. That doesnt > > help > > anyone in the situation. Although, I do agree with Charles, other > > members of > > the family should not be able to come in and fight the decision that > > the > > next of kin has made. He/she must have her reasoning. > > > > I have seen two people a few years ago die basicly after they became > > brain > > dead. In one of those situations I was the decision maker and in one I > > wasnt. But that decision isnt easy and noone should be *made* to change > > their mind because someone else doesnt agree. > > > > JMO. > > > > Jen -- > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Charles" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: "'The Sandbox Discussion List'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 9:05 AM > > Subject: RE: [Sndbox] Right to Die > > > > > >> Actually, the hospice folks here swear that removing the tube is > >> actually > >> more peaceful for the patient than other methods. Their body shuts > >> down > > and > >> goes to sleep. > >> > >> > >> Charles Mims > >> http://www.the-sandbox.org > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> On Behalf Of Laurie > >> Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 11:38 AM > >> To: The Sandbox Discussion List > >> Subject: RE: [Sndbox] Right to Die > >> > >> I have a problem with just stopping the feeding tube. > >> That is starving her to death...nope...can't go with that..but if she > >> is > >> braindead, or in a permanent vegitative state, I can see increasing > >> pain > >> meds and ending her life that way....no suffering. In my opinion, > > starvation > >> is painful and suffering occurs. > >> > >> Laurie > >> --- David <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>> I'm like you on this one. We had a tough decision with Julie's > >>> mom...but fortunately the doctor was able to ask her mother if she > >>> wanted more pain medicine or did she want to be more alert. She > >>> chose > >>> the pain medicine and it basically put her to sleep then shut her > >>> down. > >>> She was in so much pain > >>> and suffering from the cancer. Now this case is a bit different, but > >>> if they feel that taking the woman off of the feeding tubes will > >>> cause > >>> her pain and make her suffer, I'm not for her suffering. I say since > >>> she is basically dead anyway, then give her enough medication to let > >>> it be an easy transition. I don't like playing God, but I don't > >>> think > >>> that is the case. > >>> > >>> David L. > >>> > >>> Ben Franklin: "Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As > >>> nations become corrupt, they have more need of masters." > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Charles > >>> Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 9:58 AM > >>> To: 'The Sandbox Discussion List' > >>> Subject: RE: [Sndbox] Right to Die > >>> > >>> > >>> I haven't decided on this one. The woman has been vegetative for 13 > >>> years. > >>> For all practical purposes she is not alive, and reports I've heard > >>> is > >>> that her brain waves are severely deteriorated. The drain on her > >>> immediate family (Husband (children?)) must be enormous not even > >>> counting the financial drain keeping her artificially alive. > >>> > >>> I'm looking at it like this, my wife (who according to the laws of > >>> the > >>> state of FL is my next of kin) knows my wishes. If she made the > >>> difficult decision to cease heroic measures on me I wouldn't want my > >>> mother to be able to step in and make a different decision. If the > >>> extended family wins in this case, that is the precedent that will be > >>> set. > >>> > >>> I know for *ME* I don't want to live like that. > >>> Take the tube away. If it > >>> is the only thing keeping me alive, I mean, and I'm not conscious. > >>> Now if I were still conscious and just couldn't eat, then it is a > >>> different story. > >>> > >>> > >>> Charles Mims > >>> http://www.the-sandbox.org > >>> > >>> > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>> On Behalf Of Tim Harder > >>> Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 10:38 AM > >>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>> Subject: [Sndbox] Right to Die > >>> > >>> > >>> Has anyone been paying attention to the woman in Florida who has been > >>> a vegetable since 1990. They are going to remove her feeding tube... > >>> They say she will *probably* die in about two weeks.... > >>> Does anybody else find > >>> this disturbing? I suppose they will have her loaded up on pain > >>> meds? > >>> Is it better for her to go this way... or would it be better for > >>> someone to give her a lethal dose of something? > >>> > >>> > >>> ________________________________ > >>> > >>> Changes to your subscription (unsubs, nomail, > >>> digest) can be made by going > >>> to > >>> > >> http://sandboxmail.net/mailman/listinfo/sndbox_sandboxmail.net > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ________________________________ > >>> > >>> Changes to your subscription (unsubs, nomail, > >>> digest) can be made by going > >>> to > >>> > >> http://sandboxmail.net/mailman/listinfo/sndbox_sandboxmail.net > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ________________________________ > >>> > >>> Changes to your subscription (unsubs, nomail, > >>> digest) can be made by going to > >>> > >> http://sandboxmail.net/mailman/listinfo/sndbox_sandboxmail.net > >> > >> > >> > >> ===== > >> I wanted a perfect ending... 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