Sounds pretty good.
I would like to see any witness over 21 for I- III and two for IV and V with
at least one being AMA registered. This is very important to those in small
or power clubs. Also, since the tasks are basically the same, if you have
already completed them, you may try for your next level based on these
options and do not have to start over. EG if you are level III now you can
complete IV with these "options". Since "options" have always been a part
of the achievements (ie slope/td), this is nothing really new.
If you are able to complete the new "contest format", you will have had a
lot of practice and if you were able to travel extensively you could get the
win in either format.
As you say, laws have changed making it difficult for many to do the cross
country Legally. Can't have LSF promoting illegal activity. However, I
think the requirement should include that you must also "travel" the closed
course. That means in a vehicle or on foot. You cannot just stand in one
place. That would mean traveling your field boundaries if the course
exceeded your field size. Or if on the road, the full course. I can't find
anywhere here to do the 10 K in a straight out and back (or even a crooked
one), but can find numerous areas where a large lap could be done of four
2.5 K runs.
I will gladly supply award certificates to the existing LSF V's that say LSF
V MASTER to anyone who feels this somehow takes away from their
achievements.
I see nothing "Sportsman" Level about the revisions to the program and would
suggest that LSF seriously consider the "options" be included in the current
program and that it be adopted and "the only" program, since these are
options and doesn't change the intent or level of difficulty. It merely
addresses today's environment.
The points for the contest format should be able to be determined by the LSF
secretary by looking at the average winning scores for the last 10 or so LSF
level achievers or just checking a number of local and regional contests
with 20 or more to see what the general win average is. If the average is
around 100 points off max, then three rounds in one hour totally 2900 might
be reasonable. (or whatever the average turns out). Average means if 10
rounds were flown with total being 200 points off max, then the average
would be 20 off max. Determining this number will probably be the toughest
task. You will likely find a big difference between the ones who got the
win at a monthly club contest and those that got them at larger regional or
national contests. You would also likely find that the scores many years
ago were way further from max then the scores of today. Difference between
a Paragon and an Icon.
TB
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From: "dharban" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Saturday, September 09, 2006 10:15 AM
Subject: [RCSE] LSF Discussion
I don't know whether the people on this RCSE thread are reading the
corresponding thread or not so I am reposting a message I have on that
thread in this forum. Before everyone loads up to shoot, please
understand that these thoughts are offered not as definitive but more
as illustrative of what might be done with regard to an alternative
path. The posting includes a paper discussing evaluating achievement
award tasks based on skill requirements and an illustrative proposal as
to one way an alternative program might be structured:
A proposal regarding tasks and skills. This is partly a rehash of a
previous communication -- revised to illustrate one way a "Sportsman"
track Achievement Award program could be structured. The objectives in
this proposal are:
1. Mitigate the problems participants would have with regard to the
logistics and/or other difficulties required to complete the existing
LSF Competition Tasks.
2. Mitigate the problems participants have with respect to Goal and
Return tasks -- specifically the unsuitablility of this event for
people who live in densely populated areas, areas where it is unsafe
and/or illegal to fulfill the requirements of the task (most places it
is illegal to ride in the bed of a moving pickup truck and illegal for
passengers to not use their seatbelts -- thereby making operation of a
transmitter through an open sunroof problematic.)
3. To encourage some level of participation in group activities which
advance the sport.
4. To be mostly achievable with typical club at a typical club site.
5. To devise an alternative program where the challenge at any level is
comparable (+/_ to its existing LSF equivalent.
6. To complement and augment the existing LSF program.
Level I -- Exactly identical to current Level I tasks
Level II -- Exactly identical to current Level II tasks (I realize this
has a competition element, but it is easily achieveable at most club
sites and is consistent with objective 3 above.
Level III -- Identical with current Level III Thermal Duration and
Slope tasks.
Goal and Return is modified to allow distance to be flown in laps not
less than 0.5 KM per full lap (Minimum turning distance are approx. 792
feet.)
Competition Requirements Can be fulfilled either in accordance with
current Level III Competition requirements as written or by completing
any combination of the following competition event equivalents which
totals six "competition equivalent events".
(A) Placing in a competition event which has 10 or more entrants.
(B) Completing a competition equivalent event which consists of three
rounds of 10 minute AMA Task T2 (Precision Duration) using an AMA L4
Spot landing with a total score greater than or equal to 2000 points*.
All three rounds must be completed within 1 hour.
Level IV -- Identical with current Level IV Thermal Duration and Slope
tasks.
Goal and Return is modified to allow distance to be flown in laps not
less than 0.5 KM per full lap (Minimum turning distance are approx. 792
feet.)
Competition Requirements Can be fulfilled either in accordance with
current Level IV Competition requirements as written or by completing
any combination of the following competition event equivalents which
totals six "competition equivalent events".
(A) Placing in a competition event which has 15 or more entrants.
(B) Completing a competition equivalent event which consists of three
rounds of 10 minute AMA Task T2 (Precision Duration) using an AMA L4
Spot landing with a total score greater than or equal to 2000* points.
All three rounds must be completed within 1 hour.
Level V -- Identical with current Level V Thermal Duration and Slope
tasks. (I realize that this includes an onerous Slope task which cannot
be substituted with another Thermal task. At this level of
accomplishment, this is the one compromise in this proposal to the
concept of solving the logistics problem (perhaps an exception could be
granted for aspirants who do not live within 500 miles or some other
such distance from a reasonable slope.)
Goal and Return is modified to allow distance to be flown in laps not
less than 0.5 KM per full lap (Minimum turning distance are approx. 792
feet.)
Competition Requirements Can be fulfilled either in accordance with
current Level V Competition requirements as written or by completing
any combination of the following competition event equivalents which
totals six "competition equivalent events".
(A) Placing in a competition event which has 20 or more entrants.
(B) Completing a competition equivalent event which consists of three
rounds of 10 minute AMA Task T2 (Precision Duration) using an AMA L4
Spot landing with a total score greater than or equal to 2350 points.
All three rounds must be completed within 1 hour.
For Level V only,in addition to (or as a part of) completing the
combination of the 6 competition and/or "competition equivalent" events
the aspirant would be required to participate in at least three
competition events with more than 25 entrants. (the events used to
satisfy this requirement could include events which qualify for (A)
above. (I realize this, too, runs counter to Objective #1 above, but at
this level of achievement -- reallly thin air -- it does not seem
unreasonable to expect the aspirant to do a little more to support
Objective #3 above.)
*Points suggested for these tasks may need revision. Perhaps LSF can
look at results of past LSF events and interpolate better numbers -- or
perhaps LSF competitors can suggest appropriate numbers.
I prepared this proposal mindful of the criteria set forth in a paper I
provided earlier (copy attached). I realize full on that this is just
one (perhaps terribly misguided) opinion -- but it seemed to me
worthwhile to throw out at a time when the thread seems to be getting
caught up in discussion of us vs. LSF.
At any rate take it for what it's worth.
Don
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