Now we are using seriously offending terms...*#^!baggers" I would stay
clear from this type of incendiary remark if I were you....:) I prefer
the PC term optimal condition competitor....

But I agree we can't keep increasing the line size.

On Dec 20, 2007 10:12 AM, Darwin N. Barrie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Chris,
>
> It is much more than throwing on heavier line. We experimented with
> heavier line. It does not give in the launch and many will have
> difficulties adapting at first. Secondly, and the most critical,  the
> reels are maxed out. We cannot go to much bigger line because the
> reels will have to be changed out for larger ones. Or, use a
> turnaround 300' out!! That would be popular.
>
> I can tell you it is very frustrating to run a big contest and have
> everything from a Sleazy Glider to a 140+ plane to launch. Throw in
> the fact that there are some people out there that winning is so
> important that they will go for it all even if it breaks a line.
> These are usually the notorious sandbaggers too!!!
>
> Darwin N. Barrie
> Chandler AZ
>
> On Dec 20, 2007, at 10:33 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> > This is all Bogus, What is everyone getting their lines in a Twist?
> >
> > No where does it say that a CD must provide launching mechanisms for
> > specific plane designs.
> >
> > What is the problem???  A CD provides a launch method that can launch
> > all planes.  Just because the same launching system cannot get 2Meter
> > planes launched high is not his problem.
> >
> > The Airbus is only the Airbus because GE, or whomever, makes a engine
> > that can power the plane.  So what if the little planes cannot travel
> > across the "great herring pond" as efficiently as the big ones.
> >
> > Heck, if the line breaks, just get bigger lines or stronger lines.  In
> > Fishing they use wire lines to met the stronger requirements.  What's
> > the problem here, can't the old Icon 1 or the Sharon , or perhaps the
> > High End have better winches for them to use?  You can also use
> > clothesline rope if you want.
> >
> > There is nothing in any rule book that says lighter lines need be
> > provided.  So, buck it up and get a better launching plane.  Get
> > rid of
> > that old NOS  or woodie class and come into the REAL world.
> >
> > I am sick of everyone thinking that we have to cater to the lighter
> > planes.  If the Icon 1 can't launch on the new winches, then get off
> > your tails and get a plane that can launch.
> >
> > This is so bogus to hear  everyone complain.  Look at all the
> > aerodynamic and composite advancements, and use them.
> >
> > Duuhhhh.
> >
> > Chris
> >
> >
> >> -------- Original Message --------
> >> Subject: Re: [RCSE] Icon 2
> >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> Date: Thu, December 20, 2007 9:08 am
> >> To: soaring@airage.com
> >>
> >> In a message dated 12/20/2007 8:48:45 AM Central Standard Time,
> >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> >> I'm sure this will be a very dynamic plane and competitive with
> >> the Euro
> >> models. My concern is the launching equipment. With the current
> >> crop of moldies,
> >> line breaks and winch bogging and ultimate failure are becoming
> >> more prevelant.
> >>  Heavy enough line for these new "super ships," will be a burden
> >> for the
> >> lighter planes. Yes, I've CD'd lots of contests and a few big ones.
> >>
> >> We've tried some heavy line and it is great for the heavier planes
> >> but the
> >> lighter planes and 2 meters have a helluva time overcoming the
> >> line drag and
> >> weight.
> >>
> >> Where do we draw the line?
> >>
> >> Darwin N. Barrie
> >> Chandler AZ
> >>
> >> ____________________________________________________
> >>
> >> It could be that the wing area is not more than the Sharon, just a
> >> higher
> >> aspect ratio, and that it won't generate more lift, but will just
> >> have less drag
> >> and be more efficient.
> >>
> >> Bill Wingstedt
> >>
> >>
> >>
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