Interesting, First, I am not soliciting the help of the electric flyers. Second, I did not come over to pick a fight. I came over to photograph all of the activity on 60 Acres South and to also take photographs of the empty 60 acres north. I did take pictures of the electrics that were flying out of the parking lot. I was confronted by an individual (electric pilot) who demanded that I not take a picture of him. I also took pictures off the rocket guys and the glider guys. That is why I came over, to photograph the disparity between use of 60 acres north and south in an effort to show King County that the soccer people treat the property like it is private property. I did try to provide some history of the field to some electric guys, but only after I was asked. I knew before I started talking that I was in a "no win" situation, but I decided to speak anyway. Unfortunately, I was continuously interrupted by comments like, who gave you the authority or it is a public property and I can do anything I want, many of them quite rude. No one wanted to let me finish. When I asked why can't electrics fly at Marymoor (the local power field) I heard comments like it is too far (just three miles away) or Merymoor has too many rules. It was obvious right off the bat, that most of the guys there were not interested in flying under established AMA rules or even knew what they were. In addition, the size of the electrics has grown from light weight park flyers to much larger aircraft. Someone even told me that I should not take any pictures of these larger aircraft because it will simply "fuel the fire." The glider guys have been the primary reason why soccer has not expanded into 60 acres south since 1984. If anyone of you would like to see the historical record, supported by hundreds of documents collected from County records and archives, I would be happy to show them to you. All you have to do is ask. RC has been a safe sport in King County for years. It has been that way for a simple reason. Every area where RC is flown (private or public property) is governed by a local club. These clubs make themselves responsible for promoting safe flying for a single reason. To make sure they can fly there in the future. The glider guys have been flying at 60 Acres South since 1968 without an incident. They take their safety very seriously and teach flying to new pilots every Wednesday night throughout the flying season. Come over any Wednesday night, Doug Brusig cooks up a mean burger, and its free. The glider guys main concern is that the unsafe flying occurring out of the parking lot could end all RC flying at that field. We also discussed that the glider guys have nowhere else to fly. Nothing large enough to support its launching equipment. On the other hand the electric's can fly just about anywhere. No one seemed to care. So even though I tried to discuss some history, discuss unsafe flying practices (using the parking lot full of cars as runway as an example), the response from the many of the electric pilots was hostile. No one asked what the rules are, no one asked why, no one wanted to discuss safety. The only response was a hostile one and typically along the lines of "because its a public park, I can do anything I want." Finally, Mikey, I wish you had volunteered your time to provide the legal help. It is not hard, but it is expensive and time consuming. If you had, you would have known that "Behavior like this" was not an issue discussed by either the glider guys or by King County before the court. If you would like to talk to the prosecutor that represented the county to confirm this, please let me know and I will have him give you a call. I have attached an article that was published entitled "NO FEAR." You might find it interesting. If anyone wants to call and discuss the issues, or meet me at the site, please give me a call. Sherman Knight 425-576-8777
In a message dated 5/6/2008 5:14:31 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If you guys are serious about soliciting help, you will need to rein in Sherman a little bit. Him coming over & picking fights with the electric guys, with heated words exchanged, stupid political "you can't fly here anymore either" stuff, is not my idea of a great time at 60 acres, and makes all the words people say about "the glider guys" stick like glue. We're all out there to have a good time, guys. Most of the electric guys have the respect enough to check which board and generally stay out of your airspace. Please don't pick fights with us. Behavior like this, IMHO, is one of the major reasons that the judge decided for the county... Hope this helps. -- _Mikey_ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ _Mikey_'s Profile: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/member.php?u=204221 View this thread: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=851726 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format **************Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001)
