Chris,

That's more public info on one page than I've seen in awhile, and you want
more :-)  I think your analogy to Formula 1 is a good one.  I'd bet that 95%
of all glider guiders could not tell a difference between the top planes,
especially given varying conditions when they would be flying the plane.

The old sales trick of hooking up a glider into a thermal and then passing
the transmitter is always effective.  "Man, this thing flies great!"

I've flown many of the designs listed and the differences between each one
are not pronounced.  A Supra and a Perfect you can tell, but when they are
ballasted to the same wing loading it gets a little murkier.  The Experience
and the Perfect are really close, as is the Aspire (maybe a bit more float).

The Espada is slippery, a little quicker in getting back from downwind but
it like to be flown slightly faster due to the planform and airfoil.

Like I said, the differences are not that pronounced and the decision at the
top of the launch is WAY more important than the plane.  Still the guys who
are there have made their decision on what plane they like based on their
own preferences.  But it's not like that formula stays true forever.
Remember the Icon?  The Sharon?  Where are they in this list?

JE
--
Erickson Architects
John R. Erickson, AIA


> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2008 11:02:13 -0700
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Cc: Soaring@airage.com
> Subject: RE: [RCSE] "Could CD's Please Collect Plane's Flown By Whom?....
> 
> Gordy,
> 
> As a designer, I look at the overall list as more of a Manufacturer's
> advertising list.  Think about it, each plane costs over $2500 to have
> in flying condition, and each is like a Formula 1/Indy racer in it's own
> regard.
> 
> For information on planes, I would be interested in 3 views (probably
> already available), weights, airfoils, etc.  However, are any of the
> planes "Original Designs"?  DP mentioned he was building a moldie a
> while back, and I was looking forward to hearing of it's results.
> 
> Are the planes so close in performance that differences do not matter?
> 
> Years ago, F3B Worlds used to distribute data on ships, new approaches
> to old problems etc.  I compiled a DVD back in 2001 of IHLGF data and it
> was distributed.  I an going to the German Open and home to take alot of
> pictures because how we address design issues for US conditions is alot
> different from the design conditions in Europe.
> 
> I would love to see more regarding planes, setups, etc.
> 
> Chris
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> -------- Original Message --------
>> Subject: [RCSE] "Could CD's Please Collect Plane's Flown By
>> Whom?....Thanks!  (F3J World Planes)
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Date: Tue, July 01, 2008 3:40 am
>> To: Soaring@airage.com
>> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> _http://www.f3x.no/f3j/2008/models08.htm_
>> (http://www.f3x.no/f3j/2008/models08.htm)
>> 
>> Here's the  kind of list that we have all dreamed would be posted  after
>> every USA TD contest ever held in history! :-).
>> 
>> Take a look guys, it will show you whats considered hot in F3J right
>> now...or at least what was available :-).
>> Gordy
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> 
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